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Yep. This guy sounds like a total ****.

I'm all against the rather modern phenomena of teachers coming off worse in pupil/parent/school 'situations'...

But, when it is the teacher's fault, when a teacher/lecturer/educator does abuse his or her position, then I'm happy to see the strongest punishment...

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Concord forgave the Arnigang for private Message and then arab girl shuld have forgiven the teacher.
When u r above 50 , sometimes your barian cells dont work :=)

M! wrote::shock:

How come that nobody can stand with the truth anymore?
Especially this generation?

In what kind of a world do we live? These students wanna be one day the next generation of managers and rulers of the world???... A Generation of CRYING WIMPS? NO THANKS!!!
GOSH

Cant believe most of the statements, LADIES WAKE UP its the real world out there and not mum´s coat-tail


This has nothing to do with her dads death, its only that this generation does not want to take any responsibility for their doing.
BEING LAZY, HAVING PARTY and most of all CRYING
(i do not say that we didnt party at all, but we knew when it was time to finish and time to STUDY!)
How come that she was late anyways, usually essays do not have to be finish in between one day or even a week.
IF she would have been a good student everything shall be ready on time, which means AT LEAST one week before due date
But the truth looks quite different...... Her PhD knows at least about her performance
This has NOTHING TO DO about her origin its mostly the same with our whimps at the Universities in these days.

relax gradpa

hmmm, if you read the actual email, it sounds slightly over the top...But also seemed that the student actually needed a wake up call. Sounds like she asked for an extension after the due date, which doesn't always solicit a positive response.

But, there is a thing called tact, he probably shouldn't have committed all that in writing.

to be perfectly honest, the lecturer's email wasnt professional that it should be. The lecturer can easily say no and that would be his final decision. As for the student, she shouldve paid more attention to her studies rather than slacking off at uni.
And M!, you are probably right....we should always blame the whole generation coz one person set an example. We should really squeeze the life out of this bleak generation for the sake of proving your point (sarcastic)

i vote for M! for president!

I agree with bleakus - the lecturer should have not taken things so far and the student really should have been paying more attention to her studies. nonetheless i think expelling the lecturer was a bit harsh.

Supposedly now there is an added factor in this regarding the treatment of international students in NZ (and even Australia, which is where I studied for four years). Many international students pay overly expensive fees to the local universities and probably contribute to a lot of the university funding. As a result of this International students have gotten a bad rep for being 'let off' by faculties when it comes to grades due to them paying full fees i.e. lecturers changing their marks to passes/distinctions when they really shouldn't have gotten them. I think there is a certain bias towards international students in that we pay a lot of money and we get what we want from the local NZ/Australian education system. When I was doing my Media Studies course a lot of the non-local students could barely speak english and really should have never been allowed to do the course in the first place.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the student deserved such a letter, but I'm also saying that not all international students deserve the slack they probably expect - I mean consider the fact she was in a Postgrad course where you are expected to work at a higher level. A lot of my international friends barely attended classes or handed in homework but they all passed in the end.

Anyways.

blah i can't figure out how to delete a post. oops.

Again, if you read the email he sent her, it is clear that she is NOT peforming to the required standards. Uni aint just about partying - it's about gaining an education. He tells her that she hadn't attended lectures, but it's unclear if that's a result of her dad's illness or what.

Either way, I think the email is harsh. But it certainly doesn't seem that she's whiter than white, does it ? If she's doesn't want to learn [ie. go to classes, complete work etc] what other recourse does the lecturer have ?

Isn't Uni about also learning responsibility ?

Hmmmmm.

Will, there should be consideration that her father died, and he shouldn’t have addressed her this way.

However, it seems that she wasn’t the exact genius, and apparently she wasn’t doing great before this incident, and this paper wasn’t going to make a big difference.

Some people just love drama.

linahdinah wrote:I agree with bleakus - the lecturer should have not taken things so far and the student really should have been paying more attention to her studies. nonetheless i think expelling the lecturer was a bit harsh.

Supposedly now there is an added factor in this regarding the treatment of international students in NZ (and even Australia, which is where I studied for four years). Many international students pay overly expensive fees to the local universities and probably contribute to a lot of the university funding. As a result of this International students have gotten a bad rep for being 'let off' by faculties when it comes to grades due to them paying full fees i.e. lecturers changing their marks to passes/distinctions when they really shouldn't have gotten them. I think there is a certain bias towards international students in that we pay a lot of money and we get what we want from the local NZ/Australian education system. When I was doing my Media Studies course a lot of the non-local students could barely speak english and really should have never been allowed to do the course in the first place.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the student deserved such a letter, but I'm also saying that not all international students deserve the slack they probably expect - I mean consider the fact she was in a Postgrad course where you are expected to work at a higher level. A lot of my international friends barely attended classes or handed in homework but they all passed in the end.

Anyways.

I agree with you here actually.

I went to uni in Sydney with a whole lot of international students. I mean A LOT. This was a Business degree and most of them could barely speak english or write a decent paragraph. Group work was always a nightmare as I tended to do the work on my own or had to re-do their atrocious work, yet they would also receive the same mark. It dissapoints me that these universities only think of the cash from international students, as opposed to those struggling through, paying for uni by working part time (like me!) and working hard to get the same degree. What rubs it in is the attitudes of these kids are quite blase - they drive around in their nice cars, swan around in swanky clothes, go back to their luxury harbour view apartments, barely study or do their homework, turn up to lectures with no books, somehow graduate, then go back to their home country and probably end up getting a management position because of the fact they have 'studied' at a western university. And I'm referring to all nationalities - asian, american, european, arab. I'm probably stereotyping a bit, but this is what I saw on a daily basis at my university.

With this girl, if her father had been sick for some time, and couldnt concentrate on studying why did she not advise her lecturers earlier? If her father had died, wouldn't she had gone back to the UAE to be with her family?

And I'm sure there are A LOT of teachers out there who get notes of dying relatives just before exams....

On the other hand, the email should have been a face to face meeting....you don't put that kind of stuff down in writing!

I think he should have just said "I am sorry but due to previous academic performance I am unable to grant you an extension."

He didn't need to write the letter he did, and shows a real lack of real world understanding on his part that indicates perhaps he himself is a useless academic and of little value to the real world.

I'm sure he knows now though.

DeeDee -
Interesting point and one I hadn't thought of. But, yeah, if her dad had popped his clogs, surely she would have gone back straight away ? Doesn't really give credence to her case, does it ?

When I was at Uni [back in the Dark Ages hehehehe] the internatinoal students were exactly the opposite of your experiences. They would work their little flip-flops off, had good language skills and were a real positive contribution to academic life [particularly as I hadn't met any Middle Eastern peeps at that stage of my life].

Little did I know that I would end up in that part of the world !!!

At the end of the day, whoever you are, if you're gonna learn in a particular location, you gotta speaka da lingo. I'm surprised that the Uni would admit foreign students who could not.