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I am sure if all of the expats are leaving this country..that surely means all mnc's are moving there business from this place..
So many big companies are coming to dubai just because they can find people from different nationalities here... not because " there are locals graduates by hundreds "(who cant even speak properly).

chinnu wrote:I am sure if all of the expats are leaving this country..that surely means all mnc's are moving there business from this place..
So many big companies are coming to dubai just because they can find people from different nationalities here... not because " there are locals graduates by hundreds "(who cant even speak properly).

ohhhh so sad of you thinking that is the reason why all those companies are here , it is really sad. they could've been in your country long time ago and not wait for your sorry as* to come here to save time, wouldn't they dummy ?

it is the other way around, you guys are here bcz of them daaaa.
and they are here bcz of the healthy successful economical environment and facilities the country has created for them, you know , things that your countries LOCAL GOV failed to do.

so you see, part of us "who cant even speak properly" are the reason why you are here and not back home selling chickens or selling fake watchs to tourists. get it ?

What is this? Battle of the Stupid People?

If Dubai didn't have such a multicultural mix of people, it would most certainly not have the MNCs. - think about it for 20 second... MNCs = Multicultural organisations.

Also FF:

Cisco and Microsoft were in India long before they came to Dubai.
FMCG companies were long established in the Western World before coming here.

Dubai offers a convenient location with relaxed economic conditions that are attractive to MNCs, but should that change... should Dubai become subject to nationalistic domination, then you can bet the MNCs will move on.

Mr. Firefingers... not every expat is from a 3rd world country. Many actually come from places better than Dubai, and are here to assist Dubai with modernisation. You need us more than we need you, and this is something that at least the rule of this Emirate understands.

Dr.D wrote:What is this? Battle of the Stupid People?

If Dubai didn't have such a multicultural mix of people, it would most certainly not have the MNCs. - think about it for 20 second... MNCs = Multicultural organisations.

Also FF:

Cisco and Microsoft were in India long before they came to Dubai.
FMCG companies were long established in the Western World before coming here.

Dubai offers a convenient location with relaxed economic conditions that are attractive to MNCs, but should that change... should Dubai become subject to nationalistic domination, then you can bet the MNCs will move on.

Mr. Firefingers... not every expat is from a 3rd world country. Many actually come from places better than Dubai, and are here to assist Dubai with modernisation. You need us more than we need you, and this is something that at least the rule of this Emirate understands.

Well said Dr. D, I couldn't agree more!

FF...u r such a Fool.

I don't know why so many people here are against locals and calling them overpaid and lazy.

Firstly many local get salary between 3000 to 10 000 dhs a month with long hours a day. I am sure most western expats would never accept to work with this salary. Many Western expats get house allowance, car allowance, school feels paid etc. If someone is overpaid, i would say the western expat.

Many locals are unemployed because they can't find a work in their own country because a lot of jobs are given to asians and others, it's very hard for local to work in certain fields. Did you ever seen a local bus driver? Or local worker in petrol station? Burger King? They can't work because they are not accepted to these jobs often!

Some locals are rich but most are normal or even poor.

Dr.D wrote:What is this? Battle of the Stupid People?

If Dubai didn't have such a multicultural mix of people, it would most certainly not have the MNCs. - think about it for 20 second... MNCs = Multicultural organisations.

Also FF:

Cisco and Microsoft were in India long before they came to Dubai.
FMCG companies were long established in the Western World before coming here.

Dubai offers a convenient location with relaxed economic conditions that are attractive to MNCs, but should that change... should Dubai become subject to nationalistic domination, then you can bet the MNCs will move on.

Mr. Firefingers... not every expat is from a 3rd world country. Many actually come from places better than Dubai, and are here to assist Dubai with modernisation. You need us more than we need you, and this is something that at least the rule of this Emirate understands.

Need !!!…. Naaa I don't think so, maybe 10 years ago . locals now works in all fields my friend , and has graduated from better schools than most expat .but the the problem is our populations !!
In worst case if it's in my hand , I would prefer GCC countries locals working instead of western in fields that locals hastate to work in, unlike you guys at least they would appreciate it and you may check it your self ,they will work with less salaries than the ones expat complains about.
The only ones I care for are the expat working in construtions under the sun and the heat but you guys are living it easy, so please guys don’t put your self in their category .

firefingers wrote:Need !!!…. Naaa I don't think so, maybe 10 years ago . locals now works in all fields my friend , and has graduated from better schools than most expat .but the the problem is our populations !!

The problem is not population and it is not education. The problem is experience. You could read 10,000 books about golf but until you learn to swing a club you're never going to be good at it. The same applies with pretty much any discipline.

The experience of the locals is sadly lacking in many areas, but with the good foresight of the government, locals get to train with experienced professionals (such as myself - I have 3 local graduates working for me at the moment) - but they're a long way off from going it on their own.

Until that experience gap is closed, many professional expats will have the edge, so yes, you do need us. Experience is something that comes with time and proper mentoring.

In worst case if it's in my hand , I would prefer GCC countries locals working instead of western in fields that locals hastate to work in, unlike you guys at least they would appreciate it and you may check it your self ,they will work with less salaries than the ones expat complains about.

I didn't go to the best universities (self funded) and obtain what I thought was the most relevant experience to do menial jobs my friend. Get a grip, many of us don't need to be here, I myself am here for 2 reasons:

(1) Middle East experience - partly for fun, partly to build my career.
(2) Tax free incentives provided by your government to get me here.

You seem to conveniently forget that a lot of the expat workforce is imported to do highly skilled highly specialised work, not just menial jobs, I wouldn't even do those jobs in my home country.

The only ones I care for are the expat working in construtions under the sun and the heat but you guys are living it easy, so please guys don’t put your self in their category .

I think you're the one categorising to be honest. I sympathise with those people who have the terrible jobs working in the hot sun. It is a necessary evil to the development of this country. Nobody benefitting from the development of Dubai, locals and expats alike, has a right to criticise whilst they are living off these benefits.

Having said that, this takes a much more global and historic understanding. The labourers of today are funnelling their money back home to build a better future for their family. A couple of generations and the collective wealth and education will rise and these people will no longer be in a position to do menial jobs.

Perhaps more than any of us, they will be taught to appreciate the true value of hard work, and with this appreciation move on to build stronger and stabler economies.

Dubai might seem on its way to being a grand place, but it is not there yet. There are many gaps in day to day life that need to be corrected and infrastructure that needs to be built.

None of this will happen, unless the expats and the locals unite around this, instead of constant bickering or putting each other down.

It is your country Mr. Firefingers, and the attitude of yourself and your children will go a way to shaping it's destiny. Fortunately I think the future of Dubai also lays in the hands of the many talented locals I have met and work with in the Government, and I have faith in their ability to keep progress happening.

You? Not so much. You're too narrow minded and not worldly enough.

You see dr.d the problem is you guys (most) goes only against my posts not against expat ones !! even though you know most of them are not true or at least not specified to a cretin group of locals !! aren't they narrow minded too ? why is it you don't point fingers at them before me when they put all of us under one category? aren't they narrow minded too ? why do you keep quit and blindly agree to those posts just bcz it has the word "locals" in it ? aren't you narrow minded too?

You said ((The experience of the locals is sadly lacking in many areas, but with the good foresight of the government, locals get to train with experienced professionals (such as myself - I have 3 local graduates working for me at the moment) - but they're a long way off from going it on their own))
As an example you have generalized all locals based on 3 of them and stated that LOCAL has a lake of experience !! if this is the case I will email you pictures of foreigner in my work place sleeping on their desks, I promises I will.

So you see I have no problems with you working here or denies the need of your (some) expertise but it's the attitude .. so until I see you guys being fair and open minded regarding such posts, yes I'll be narrow minded so live with it.

If you really wana help stupid people my friend then please do start with the ones in this forum .

firefingers wrote:As an example you have generalized all locals based on 3 of them and stated that LOCAL has a lake of experience !! if this is the case I will email you pictures of foreigner in my work place sleeping on their desks, I promises I will.

Er.. I work with more than 3, I am merely training and adding experience to 3 for the benefit of this country (you know... for the good of tomorrow.).

I see a lack of experience in a lot of places... something that will come in time, but it's not there yet.

So you see I have no problems with you working here or denies the need of your (some) expertise but it's the attitude .. so until I see you guys being fair and open minded regarding such posts, yes I'll be narrow minded so live with it.

LOL! OK man, whatever floats your boat.

FWIW, you're not the only local who posts on this forum and one is a good friend of mine. He doesn't appear to share your views.

Again you are ignoring my last post point. Aren't expat in this forum who generalize all locals narrow minded ?
But as I said you wont go against them simply bcz …..never mind,you get my point dr.d.
And that’s why you see me being harsh in most of my points.

firefingers wrote:Again you are ignoring my last post point. Aren't expat in this forum who generalize all locals narrow minded ?
But as I said you wont go against them simply bcz …..never mind,you get my point dr.d.
And that’s why you see me being harsh in most of my points.

I don't think he's ignoring ya rayal. He stands by what he believes in regardless of the OP's nationality. It's just you who brings up these things.

Even Bleakus and I who are LOCALS don't agree with what you say....

bushra21 wrote:

firefingers wrote:Again you are ignoring my last post point. Aren't expat in this forum who generalize all locals narrow minded ?
But as I said you wont go against them simply bcz …..never mind,you get my point dr.d.
And that’s why you see me being harsh in most of my points.

I don't think he's ignoring ya rayal. He stands by what he believes in regardless of the OP's nationality. It's just you who brings up these things.

Even Bleakus and I who are LOCALS don't agree with what you say....

bushra, don't make me starts on you dear... am I the one posting these subjects or starting it ? how is it me ?

and yes he is ignoring cuz I got cornerd he can't answer the question.

bushra21 wrote:

firefingers wrote:Again you are ignoring my last post point. Aren't expat in this forum who generalize all locals narrow minded ?
But as I said you wont go against them simply bcz …..never mind,you get my point dr.d.
And that’s why you see me being harsh in most of my points.

I don't think he's ignoring ya rayal. He stands by what he believes in regardless of the OP's nationality. It's just you who brings up these things.

Even Bleakus and I who are LOCALS don't agree with what you say....

I am local and I agree 100% with firefingers, Actually I came to this forum after I have read in other Arabic forumes about people here jumping and making stupid stereotypes about locals. some idiots need to be put back where they belong and must learn how to respest the people of the country where they are making their living and who treat them as guests not as inferiors like in their own countries, also, they have to understand that they live in a country which has one of the best secure socities in the world and this is handeled by locals only,if this country was not secured, non of u will be here, with all the respect to all the other fair people

Badoo -
Totally agree with your last point about expats "behaving" in the country of their residence. However [and it is a huge however], what many of this fair land fail to appreciate is that their collective wealth has fk all to do with their abilities and EVERYTHING to do with the help and assistance given to this country by foreigners ! The whole from-camel-to-ferrari-in-a-generation thing.
From my point of view, I have come here for a couple of reasons - one to make a shed-full of cash, the other to fill a hole in my CV for world experience. I have lived in many other locations but have never come across the arrogance and blind failure to recognise quite how much expats have contributed to their econmy.
Part of the whole balance of being an expat s having to deal with situations like this. And learn to live with it.... or ship out !


And BTW, I will not name the schools, but it IS true.

g00se wrote:Badoo -
Totally agree with your last point about expats "behaving" in the country of their residence. However [and it is a huge however], what many of this fair land fail to appreciate is that their collective wealth has fk all to do with their abilities and EVERYTHING to do with the help and assistance given to this country by foreigners ! The whole from-camel-to-ferrari-in-a-generation thing.
From my point of view, I have come here for a couple of reasons - one to make a shed-full of cash, the other to fill a hole in my CV for world experience. I have lived in many other locations but have never come across the arrogance and blind failure to recognise quite how much expats have contributed to their econmy.
Part of the whole balance of being an expat s having to deal with situations like this. And learn to live with it.... or ship out !


And BTW, I will not name the schools, but it IS true.

yaa they came here to assist, man please they had nothing to eat, thats why.
no one is working here out of their kindness including locals.
assist !!!..... please.

FF -
hehehe Of course no-one goes anywhere out of the goodness of the heart [except perhaps Mother Teresa and voluntary workers..... oh and Save The children. and....... oh you get the idea]. But equally, many have the choice of whre to work in teh world. And part of the allure of being here is helping to create a future here.

Whether that is being a PM on a hotel-building project in Dubai Marina, or a banker shifting wealth for JPM, or a recruitment consultant finding the match for people and jobs.

It's all about developing the nation as a whole, isn't it ?

I understand FF's defensiveness as locals can be easily (and way unfairly) stereotyped but I also support the fact made by Dr D that the professional experience of western expats is still very much needed here - *not* because they are better educated or more intelligent, but for the simple reason that Dubai wishes to be a westernized metropolis - no one has no where near the experience of achieving this then western professionals. This will change, but for now it is true.

If we take the Media for example and look at Emirates today you will see a clear example of the sacking and clearing out the expats to early going wrong. Since the clear out the paper now sells only an estimated 800 copies a week (no Audit has been shown only a speculation, one can only wonder why there is no public audit) meanwhile 7days (which was almost unfairly crushed as a vaild competition) has gone from strength to strength.

However a lot of expats are starting to move on now. I have had lots of conversations with friends and workers met during my time here who have gone or are in the planning stages of moving on. I also have a few friends from back in Europe who have evaluated Dubai as a destination but arrived at the conclusion that it is not worth their while.

This movement is largely based on most finding that Dubai is just not that good a deal anymore (with exception of perhaps senior directors) .

European salaries are now peaking above your average Dubai wage (even with the tax free element) + they increase each year to reflect inflation, property is cheaper to rent (as in you can live outside the main work areas and commute easier) and there is a labor law which will protect you when it comes to the crunch.

As for multi-nationals eastern Europe will be the next big location, cheap skilled workforce and the strength of the euro being the key factors.

can't agree more with jabbajabba statment, this is a good way o present an opinion.

In reference to the main topic...don't you think they deserve more than we do because this is their own country? I guess we should be thankful and grateful of the chances and opportunities that we have which other people are being deprived of...well the world is round...like the wheel of life sometimes you're up sometimes you're down

JJ: As for multi-nationals eastern Europe will be the next big location, cheap skilled workforce and the strength of the euro being the key factors.

True.
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Just a thought.

UAE gov't declared some sectors to be nationalized. I hope it will not be like what the UK adopted due to EU. The point-based sytem that the UK adopted in hiring foreign workers has made it difficult for workers outside the EU to obtain work permit in Britain. Work permit of existing foriegn workers outside the EU will no longer be renewed.

Philippines is one of the countries that sends foreign workers there to work, however they can be replaced now with workers coming from the EU. I find it unfair to just replace bunch of workers who made enormous contributions especially to the care sector and NHS just because they come from a country, which is not part of the EU. I think this is not the way people should be treated.

In the case of UAE, they're doing it sector by sector.

SCY wrote:JJ: As for multi-nationals eastern Europe will be the next big location, cheap skilled workforce and the strength of the euro being the key factors.

True.
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Just a thought.

UAE gov't declared some sectors to be nationalized. I hope it will not be like what the UK adopted due to EU. The point-based sytem that the UK adopted in hiring foreign workers has made it difficult for workers outside the EU to obtain work permit in Britain. Work permit of existing foriegn workers outside the EU will no longer be renewed.

Philippines is one of the countries that sends foreign workers there to work, however they can be replaced now with workers coming from the EU. I find it unfair to just replace bunch of workers who made enormous contributions especially to the care sector and NHS just because they come from a country, which is not part of the EU. I think this is not the way people should be treated.

In the case of UAE, they're doing it sector by sector.

It's not fair I'll give you that, we are all human, sisters and brothers, however any country will choose its own people on others, the unemployment rate is a global issue and each country is fighting it in order to provide jobs to its locals, unlike me and you who are concern about getting a job to put food on the table they look at the big picture to provide a stable life for its locals other wise they will end up with loads of complains from them. In some countries as we see on T.V rage and protests sometime .in the past years so many colleges and universities open here, many graduate locals are looking for jobs, the gov started noticing a problem in the long run so they are trying to solve it before it gets out of control in the future.

However this country will always be in needs of expats experience with the wheel of it's economy is speeding and booming up and a verity of fields and locals are short in numbers and experience to fill in the gap. privet companies prefers Asian expats mostly to save on salaries .


Our petroleum company ADNOC and its 18 sub companies owns %95 of it's income and the rest is shared by global countries like Japan and USA in order for UAE to always make sure it gets the best qualified experts in that field working here so they keep others interests by sharing the cash .

perhaps you should ask her about her night job

does it have anything to do with the company boss?

---in all honesty this is very common ---where have you been?

Well you need to go with the flow, cause it it their country and they have all the rights to pay whatever they can to their people.