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noni wrote:Yeah I agree with you. I was just stating that these are historical backgrounds for the occurance of these problems. I would have loved to see these countries build themselves in to strong economic and political powers. It would be a different world.

Yes 100% agree with you.

What i wanted to mention was that, only AFrica was looted much as the Mughal region (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh).

The Mughal Empire was the wealthiest Empire in history yet, was left to dust by the time the British Left. Since then... although tackled by huge population issues India has surfaced very well. Pakistan has the opportunity now to follow the lead. Bangladesh is hit by way too many natural disasters to keep up.

These countries got their independance after the middle east with hardly any oil - yet they are racing ahead. Their students are exceptional and annually thousends are offered Jobs in Europe and USA/Canada. Then there is the outsourcing which takes place there.

Management within the countries is vital for Education to improve.

rvp_legend wrote:Yes 100% agree with you.

What i wanted to mention was that, only AFrica was looted much as the Mughal region (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh).

The Mughal Empire was the wealthiest Empire in history yet, was left to dust by the time the British Left. Since then... although tackled by huge population issues India has surfaced very well. Pakistan has the opportunity now to follow the lead. Bangladesh is hit by way too many natural disasters to keep up.

These countries got their independance after the middle east with hardly any oil - yet they are racing ahead. Their students are exceptional and annually thousends are offered Jobs in Europe and USA/Canada. Then there is the outsourcing which takes place there.

Management within the countries is vital for Education to improve.

Exactly

Adding to what you have said above, India has flourished for sure! Pakistan is still sorting with its corruption, poverty, economics...etc I think it will be awhile for them to be ahead especially under India's shadow.

noni wrote:Adding to what you have said above, India has flourished for sure! Pakistan is still sorting with its corruption, poverty, economics...etc I think it will be awhile for them to be ahead especially under India's shadow.

What Pakistan needs to do is not only deal with corruption, but also get rid of that bloomin military in government affairs.

It has already lost the East (Bangladesh) due to its heavy handed approach. It is in constant war with the Baloch and Waziristan ...and the KASHMIRIS hate them too!

So in essence, the Pakistan army is a big block to Pakistans progression too.
Civil governments propogate civil ideas...maybe its time?

rvp_legend wrote:

noni wrote:Adding to what you have said above, India has flourished for sure! Pakistan is still sorting with its corruption, poverty, economics...etc I think it will be awhile for them to be ahead especially under India's shadow.

What Pakistan needs to do is not only deal with corruption, but also get rid of that bloomin military in government affairs.

It has already lost the East (Bangladesh) due to its heavy handed approach. It is in constant war with the Baloch and Waziristan ...and the KASHMIRIS hate them too!

So in essence, the Pakistan army is a big block to Pakistans progression too.
Civil governments propogate civil ideas...maybe its time?

Pak army has done one of the biggest genocide in East Pak......didnt give them freedom to speak local language.they turned kashmir to hell afghanistan to drug dealing country...gave birth to Taliban.........list goes on

sniper420 wrote:Pak army has done one of the biggest genocide in East Pak......didnt give them freedom to speak local language.they turned kashmir to hell afghanistan to drug dealing country...gave birth to Taliban.........list goes on

Totally. They absolutely abused their fellow Muslims. Approx 3 million dead..then there was rape of Women and Children. Yet so many Pakistanis i meet are still hostile towards the Bengali peoples - who had every right of independance after so much opression and winning the elections by a clear majority.

As i mentioned the Pakistan army is proving the block of the countries progression. It is time for it to listen to a civilian government, not run it.

[quote]Why are Muslims so powerless?


There are an estimated 1,476,233,470 Muslims on the face of the planet: one billion in Asia, 400 million in Africa, 44 million in Europe and six million in the Americas. Every fifth human being is a Muslim; for every single Hindu there are two Muslims, for every Buddhist there are two Muslims and for every Jew there are one hundred Muslims. Ever wondered why Muslims are so powerless?

Watching the News on the TV about Iraq it is not very hard to see why it this is so it is because they are all born Angry/suicidal and tey are also Envious of the West and is freedom and life style

Why are Muslims so powerless?


There are an estimated 1,476,233,470 Muslims on the face of the planet: one billion in Asia, 400 million in Africa, 44 million in Europe and six million in the Americas. Every fifth human being is a Muslim; for every single Hindu there are two Muslims, for every Buddhist there are two Muslims and for every Jew there are one hundred Muslims. Ever wondered why Muslims are so powerless?

Watching the News on the TV about Iraq it is not very hard to see why it this is so it is because they are all born Angry/suicidal and tey are also Envious of the West and is freedom and life style

That is an extremely generalized, biased, and stereotypical statement you are making. What exactly on the news is leading to you this opinion? This is what the West is trying to brainwash people into thinking, that they are "envious of the West and its freedoms." That is not the situation at all. There are serious and deep rooted poltical, social, economic and religion based forces running. How can you say a whole population is born angry and suicidal? I am appalled that you are making these broad statements. You don't see any justifications in the anger that does exist? You don't see what the driving forces behind the violence are? People are not just born "angry," circumstances make them that way. I don't know which news you are watching or from where your opinions are derived from, but you are obviously greatly skewed and an example of exactly what Bush wants Americans to think about Iraq. Great to see it is working.

noni wrote:

Why are Muslims so powerless?
There are an estimated 1,476,233,470 Muslims on the face of the planet: one billion in Asia, 400 million in Africa, 44 million in Europe and six million in the Americas. Every fifth human being is a Muslim; for every single Hindu there are two Muslims, for every Buddhist there are two Muslims and for every Jew there are one hundred Muslims. Ever wondered why Muslims are so powerless?

Watching the News on the TV about Iraq it is not very hard to see why it this is so it is because they are all born Angry/suicidal and tey are also Envious of the West and is freedom and life style

You are just a wind up merchant.

Anyone with an ounce of knowledge in History or even modern day current affairs would not make that comment, unless they were deliberately trying to get a reaction.

ignore the troll. he/she or it is from fuckfrance.com.

Instead of labeling Muslims as backward and starting this baseless thread about Islam bashing and stereotyping. One should look at the history.

Islam was the brightest and smartest religion in the world not so long ago while the whole world was lurking the darkness of idolatry, man worship and rat worship...

Islam in Spain and Iraq was the fountain of Knowledge while the whole Europe was in the dark ages....

Free education and Medical facilities were provided in Iraq for 400 years, without heavy taxation...

The downward trend in the education level of the Islamic States can be defined in simple points:


1) Ghengis Khan and Halaqu Khan ransacked Iraq and the destroyed the education system and burned the scholars alive and drowned the library of the Universities.
2) Popes raised crusades across Middle East and every city that fell to the followers of Christ nothing was spared and left alive.
3) Whole world was colonized by the European and the local population was enslaved and starved and their heritage destroyed.
4) Still after the bloody world wars Islamic states are continuingly sanctioned and terrorized by the west in order to enslave them and to maintain their superiority for global domination.
5) India, Africa and Middle east have been the target of the west for their resources and hence terrorized into submission to the western powers.

One should not just say that America made 2 trillion $, one should think whether they would have been successful in making a huge capital if they have not discovered the Native American world? The local population was exterminated and the natural resources stolen for the privileges of the few. Wasn’t Africa, India, looted by the colonial powers which some seem proud to mention their wealth?

Isn’t the middleast continuously under threat by the communist and the capitalists..? Didn’t 1.5 million children die in Iraq while the American government smuggled oil out of Iraq and with 8 billion $ went missing?

Aren’t the Palestinians living their lives under siege and terror by a superior Jewish army? Isn’t Libya under constant bombardment by the Americans? Isn’t Somalia and Nigeria the result of the American interventions and military secret executions?

You are the Judge, but I wonder why this Dubai forum has become an islamophobian forum for some.

viewsoniczee wrote:You are the Judge, but I wonder why this Dubai forum has become an islamophobian forum for some.

Dude, wind up merchants are everywhere from Politicians to the press.

in a forum where peoples faces are hidden you will always find some opportunists who will try to exploit it. I wouldnt take it personally. the majority of Non muslims on this forum can seperate the apples from the oranges

viewsoniczee wrote:Instead of labeling Muslims as backward and starting this baseless thread about Islam bashing and stereotyping. One should look at the history.

Islam was the brightest and smartest religion in the world not so long ago while the whole world was lurking the darkness of idolatry, man worship and rat worship...

Islam in Spain and Iraq was the fountain of Knowledge while the whole Europe was in the dark ages....

Free education and Medical facilities were provided in Iraq for 400 years, without heavy taxation...

The downward trend in the education level of the Islamic States can be defined in simple points:


1) Ghengis Khan and Halaqu Khan ransacked Iraq and the destroyed the education system and burned the scholars alive and drowned the library of the Universities.
2) Popes raised crusades across Middle East and every city that fell to the followers of Christ nothing was spared and left alive.
3) Whole world was colonized by the European and the local population was enslaved and starved and their heritage destroyed.
4) Still after the bloody world wars Islamic states are continuingly sanctioned and terrorized by the west in order to enslave them and to maintain their superiority for global domination.
5) India, Africa and Middle east have been the target of the west for their resources and hence terrorized into submission to the western powers.

One should not just say that America made 2 trillion $, one should think whether they would have been successful in making a huge capital if they have not discovered the Native American world? The local population was exterminated and the natural resources stolen for the privileges of the few. Wasn’t Africa, India, looted by the colonial powers which some seem proud to mention their wealth?

Isn’t the middleast continuously under threat by the communist and the capitalists..? Didn’t 1.5 million children die in Iraq while the American government smuggled oil out of Iraq and with 8 billion $ went missing?

Aren’t the Palestinians living their lives under siege and terror by a superior Jewish army? Isn’t Libya under constant bombardment by the Americans? Isn’t Somalia and Nigeria the result of the American interventions and military secret executions?

You are the Judge, but I wonder why this Dubai forum has become an islamophobian forum for some.

Islamophobia? How about Westophobia?

The reasons behind past colonisation and exploitation of other lands by Europeans was because of power - not religion. If the Middle East had been as dominant and ambitious and militarily as successful as past Europe, who is to say that they woul not have done the same things the Europeans did? Nowadays it is easy to blame everything on the West. What is the solution? Want to kill all of the Westerners? Especially the white people - just to get revenge for the past?