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Islam contains some exceedingly violent teachings, including this one from the Koran:

Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day and do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden -- such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book -- until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.

Koran 9:29

However, one often hears the argument that the Muslims don't generally believe in the violent verses of the Koran apply any more (which is a good thing).

That said, it would be interesting to see whether the future violence at the hands of 'The Messiah' that is described below is similarly denied by the Muslim posters here. I somehow doubt it.

Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent. Ahadith describe the ultimate war with Christ, the conquering commander who judges and "breaks the crosses". It’s going to be bloody and gory. All pigs will be slaughtered and Jews annihilated. His followers have no compassion upon their enemies, many will be forced to embrace Islam. Jesus will conquer his enemies completely and Allah will consign them to having their flesh burnt off and re-grown in an endless cycle for all eternity.

It is an error to say that God never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist.

Relevant ahadith:

The Prophet said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus. He will descent (sic) (to the earth)… He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam.

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, Number 4310, Narrated by Abu Hurayrah: see also Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 656

The Prophet (pbuh) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (pbuh). He will descend (to the earth)... He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizya. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 37, Number 4310:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Sahih Muslim 6985

@EH, What is your personal belief regarding this issue of the end of life..??

Only this personal EH has is his underwear !

Let us see what are his beliefs and based on what references, it just brings me interest to see how peaceful they are! They keep on throwing all their hatred on Islam when there is no threat to them, except for when they started to pinch our people in their back, later then they complained for why we are pinching them in thier assholes.

They hold extreme hatred and hostility against Islam, & it only shows the extreme weakness inside of them.
They bash our holy book for being "violent", but have they checked their own "holy books" to read what's even worse, as per their standards of hypocrisy? What do you expect from them when they fail to even respect prophets Jesus & Moses. They believe modernity is to neglect religion, but thats their belief, and I think its lame.

They decided to throw disrespect and neglect their religions, and now want to bash our religion for they got nothing else good to do in their lives. Let us assume that Islam have vanished which will never happen), then what?? Would they start to kill each other? Or even kill themselves out of insanity? lol

Seriously EH, what are your beliefs & its references??

Like I said earlier it is easier to make a stone bleed blood than to get a straight answer from EH. So save yourself the trouble and let him fester in his paranoia and hate !

After all he is a self proclaimed critter...ahem I mean critic

Why bring up a straw man? Very weak, very weak. (We can discuss why Muslims do use the Koran to justify fighting in another thread - this one is about violent expectations).

I take it therefore you DO agree that Jesus' second coming will be very violent. What is your weasly, pathetic attempt at wriggling out of this fact?

You seem to agree with the conclusion then:

It is an error to say that Allah never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist.

desertdudeshj wrote:Like I said earlier it is easier to make a stone bleed blood than to get a straight answer from EH. So save yourself the trouble and let him fester in his paranoia and hate !

After all he is a self proclaimed critter...ahem I mean critic

But sym, you do realise that we already have a thread on eh's extremist beliefs - he is the most extremist religious fanatic posting on these forums, after all:
philosophy-dubai/most-extreme-religous-fanatic-here-t41961.html

His fantasies about projecting his extremism on others is well documented. You just have to point out the facts of Biblical verses such as :

O Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy is the one who pays you back for what you have done to us.
Blessed is the one who grabs your babies and smashes them against a rock.

Psalm 137:8, 9

..and you'll have him going into a fit of 'ooh, I think the Quran is violent' etc. He always avoids addressing the Bible's words and runs away from his own extremist beliefs.

Cheers,
Shafique

Islamic laws (Sunni/Orthodox) are surely much more harmonic/logic/convenient than many others. My belief!

Interesting cut and paste there.

However, given it didn't actually address the topic of this thread - isn't it just another weak smoke and mirrors post (trying to deflect attention away from the topic)?

Let me remind you of the topic - it is of the Muslim expectations of Jesus when he returns. The clue was in the first sentence of the quote:

Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent. Ahadith describe the ultimate war with Christ, the conquering commander who judges and "breaks the crosses". It’s going to be bloody and gory. All pigs will be slaughtered and Jews annihilated. His followers have no compassion upon their enemies, many will be forced to embrace Islam. Jesus will conquer his enemies completely and Allah will consign them to having their flesh burnt off and re-grown in an endless cycle for all eternity.

It is an error to say that Allah never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist.

Can we stick on topic this time? Or do you really have nothing to disagree the quote from a Muslim website? (Standard Loon disinformation about Christianity aren't what this thread is about).

Don't you just love it when the young one decides to go 'whataboutery' in the extreme.

Well, belief in talking donkeys and being asked what he actually believes in does leave him speechless. Well done Sym - you've managed to expose yet another weak spot of eh. His embarrassment over what he believes.

Cheers,
Shafique

Shafique, thats the point I exactly want to to raise, that is EH would keep on throwing stones on others while his own shelter is made of delicate bad quality glass!

I'm still at a loss as to what your views of the Bible has do to with a thread about violent expectations in Islam? I'm sure we can compare violent verses of Quran with the violent sounding ones in the Bible in another thread - this wasn't the topic here.

That said, it seems clear to me that you're just trying to avoid stating that you agree with the quote that indeed, Jesus' second coming according to Islam will indeed be violent - and Muslims will take part in the violence by killing Jews.

I understand why you want to avoid stating this plainly.

Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent.

If I'm wrong (and you don't believe in the clear quote), please correct me. Is this partly why 34% of your fellow British Muslim students think that killing in the name of religion is justified (compared with 2% of non-Muslims)?

event horizon wrote:I'm sure we can compare violent verses of Quran with the violent sounding ones in the Bible in another thread

People have tried but all they got in return ( nothing unexpected I must say ) was a bunch of what aboutery.

-- Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:20 am --

symmetric wrote:delicate bad quality glass!

LOL, nice touch there sym.

Actually, we may even find that the glass was shattered a long time ago!

Just ask him to come clean on his position on Rapture, the killings of babies and enslavement of virgins, verses talking about bashing babies on rocks etc - all from the Bible. Then add to that his on-going refusal to condemn American terrorist (and doctor) Baruch Goldstein who emigrated to Palestine and killed worshippers in a mosque in cold blood because of his religous views (and did so quite calmly and in sane mind).

That's why he's the most religious extremist poster here.

But he seems ashamed of his beliefs though. Whataboutery is the only defence he seems to have.

Cheers,
Shafique

The misinformation about the Bible in your posts can be dealt with in other threads (indeed, much of it has already been discussed).

Now, back to this thread's topic - the Muslim view of Jesus when he returns and the violence that is expected.

No more smoke and mirrors, please. Try and stick to the subject.

What's the matter eh, still embarrassed that this whole thread is one big 'whataboutery' smoke and mirrors diversion away from the Christian beliefs of an extremely violent second coming?

Aren't you just trying (weakly) to show that your beliefs are the same as some Muslim Hadith? Some defence!

Why not tackle your beliefs head on?

shafique wrote:Enough with the whataboutery eh, this thread is about the Bible.

I'm not the one making excuses for people massacring whole villages, including women and children. That would be you - because the Bible tells you it was God's will. If you are arguing that makes you as 'bad' as a Muslim - then go ahead.

However, let's get back to the fact that you can't disagree with the conclusion:

It is an error to say that God never supports a war. Jesus is not a pacifist.

Why don't you have the courage of your convictions? Do you always have to blame Muslims?

philosophy-dubai/violent-expectations-bible-t47077.html#p384816

You didn't address this post - but rather started this whataboutery thread to do exactly what is highlighted.

Thanks for illustrating my point - you are now so predictable eh, and exposed to be a lad without the conviction of their own belief!

You can run, but you can't hide.

Cheers,
Shafique