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event horizon wrote:So would a Muslim say Muhammad was or wasn't the final prophet and messenger of Allah?

Since everybody else seems scared sh1tless to answer this, I will have a go. A Muslim would answer that Muhammed was the last and final prophet and messenger of allah. Does anyone object? Shaf, do you object?

Flying Dutchman wrote:Since everybody else seems scared sh1tless to answer this, I will have a go. A Muslim would answer that Muhammed was the last and final prophet and messenger of allah. Does anyone object? Shaf, do you object?

It has nothing to do with the OP. Saudi don't ask that. They just ask the religion.

Nucleus wrote:It has nothing to do with the OP.

Its got everything to do with the OP;

we see how dishonest members on this forum can be.

we see how dishonest members on this forum can be.

Yea, people can go through posts see who is being dishonest. You guys are shifting goal posts during the whole discussion.

You are just trolling now. Rinse and repeat.

LOL - you guys are so funny when you've failed so blatantly.

As Nucleus rightly points out, KSA ask applicants what their religion is - and the answer is either Islam or some other religion (or no religion). No Taqiyya in sight.

Fail. Complete Fail.

The Quran clearly states that Muhammad, pbuh, is the 'Khataman Nabiyyin' - the seal of the prophets. All Muslims believe this - as God states this clearly. As a Muslim, I absolutely believe this. Many Muslims also believe that the last prophet on earth to die will actually be Jesus - who will die after Muhammad, pbuh. However Muhammad remains the Seal of the Prophets.

Cheers,
Shafique

Does seal of the prophet = last and final prophet and messenger of Allah?

event horizon wrote:Does seal of the prophet = last and final prophet and messenger of Allah?

Yup, last and final prophet born. Doesn't apply to Jesus, he was born before.

And no new law/religion will be brought by Jesus, as Islam is the final religion.

Cheers,

Shafique

Sorry, is Muhammad the last and final messenger and prophet of Allah?

Muhammad, pbuh, is the Khataman Nabiyyin - as God says so. The Seal of the Prophets. No new religion, no new religious law after Islam.

What has this got to do with Taqiyya and your epic failure in this thread eh?

Cheers,
Shafique

I didn't ask about a religion or religious law after Muhammad.

Obviously Ahmadis interpret "Seal of the Prophet" differently from Muslims. So saying you believe Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets does not answer my question. It's your typical smoke screens.

Is Muhammad the last and final messenger and prophet of Allah?

(We'll see if Nucleus still believes Ahmadis do not practice taqiyya)

You can ask what you like eh - the fact remains you've failed. Epically failed.

No Taqiyya in sight - only the desperate attempts (failed attempts) to move the goal posts!

Heck - why the elaborate ad hominem attacks? Why not tackle the real issues raised in posts rather than tilting at windmills all the time!



Cheers,
Shafique

Is Muhammad the last and final messenger and prophet of Allah?

Nucleus wrote:Yup, last and final prophet born. Doesn't apply to Jesus, he was born before.

shafique wrote:And no new law/religion will be brought by Jesus, as Islam is the final religion.

event horizon wrote:Sorry, is Muhammad the last and final messenger and prophet of Allah?

shafique wrote:Muhammad, pbuh, is the Khataman Nabiyyin - as God says so. The Seal of the Prophets. No new religion, no new religious law after Islam.

What has this got to do with Taqiyya and your epic failure in this thread eh?

event horizon wrote:Is Muhammad the last and final messenger and prophet of Allah?

shafique wrote:*crickets*

Notice shafique's smoke screens?

Good. So do I.

event horizon wrote:Notice shafique's smoke screens?

Shafique has always been a cheat. Throwing Islam in your face when he can, but he cannot even get it over his lips that Muhammed is last and final messenger.

Glad to see you guys are giving each other support - given that both of you crashed and burned in this thread.

Better luck next time.

The irony is that event horizon was caught out in a bare-faced lie today:
philosophy-dubai/what-rebellious-wife-t48589-75.html#p397326

Cheers,
Shafique

Please enlighten us then whether Muhammed is the last and final prophet or not.

You do need enlightening, that's clear. But this thread is about Taqiyya and clearly was a failed attempt to show that I have lied. Failure upon failure.

By contrast eh is a proven liar today (indeed I gave him the opportunity to admit to a mistake, but he chose to stick to the lie).

But if you want to embarrass yourselves further - go ahead and change the subject and keep asking what I think and pretending I haven't answered the question. I am a Muslim and believe what God sates in the Quran and indeed to believe Muhammad, pbuh, is the seal of the prophets - the Khataman Nabiyin. All Muslims do.

Cheers,
Shafique

Most Muslims donot consider a person a Muslim who refuses to proclaim Muhammed is the last and final prophet.

All Muslims believe that Muhammad, pbuh, is the Khataman Nabiyin - as it is in the Quran.

Now that you are enlightened - do you really think it is wise to prolong your embarrassment at your continued failure to show that I'm a liar?

Cheers,
Shafique

Isn't this your prophet:

I guess you are still trying to prolong your embarrassment.

I am a Muslim and I believe Muhammad, pbuh, is the Khataman Nabiyin - as do all Muslims.

You've failed before in your baiting, why do you think it will work this time? Especially in a thread about people lying.

Two years ago, eh tried this line (and again was exposed as someone who posts things he doesn't read):
philosophy-dubai/mirza-ghulam-ahmad-the-promised-messiah-t39017.html

Cheers,
Shafique

You are hiding your religion. Not that I care what you believe. I also don't care whether people walk around with a tea kettle on there head or not. But hiding your own faith is kind of taqiyya. On top of that you tend to push Islam through other people's throats. Is Muhammed the last and final prophet or not? It should be very easy to answer for a Muslim, without all the smoke and mirrors you have displayed so far.

Huh? You guys are losing it big time.

eh failed 2 years ago, and today eh is caught in a lie and you have so far failed to show that I've lied (in any way).

No smoke, no mirrors. Just a big epic failure on your part. My religion is Islam - your failure is complete.

Cheers,
Shafique

You are even ashamed of your own background, ashamed that Ghulam is your prophet.



* shakes head *

The fail is now a desperate fail. Failed to show I lied, failed to acknowledge that eh caught out in a lie.

Your thrashing around looking for an excuse is just funny now.

Cheers,
Shafique

Whats the difference between an epic fail, complete fail, blatant fail and desperate fail?

Epic is one that is bigger than a complete, utter and blatant fail. One usually hides away when the fail is complete and blatant, but to come back for more makes the fail Epic.

This thread is about lies and eh and yourself have failed on so many levels. First to try and smear all Muslims. Fail. Then to to try and say some Muslims believe in Taqiyya when they don't. Fail. Then tried to say that Saudis require sect declaration rather than religion. Fail again. Then now trying to find a way to show I've somehow lied. Epic failure.

Any further questions on your failures?

Cheers,

Shafique

How would you call somebody ashamed and embarassed of its own background? Cannot fail more in life than that I would say.

Thanks for your opinion - I guess you must try and save face after such an epic failure. Imagining that I'm embarrassed about my religion is quite funny though. But if it makes you feel a bit better - I don't begrudge you that fantasy.

Cheers,
Shafique