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Oh yes, Judaism, the after-life is not major point in Judaism AFAIK, but any comments on possible salvation in Judaism are also welcome.
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Salvation in both Judaism and Islam are similar: faith + good works. Although, in mainstream judaism there is no hell just a temporary place away from heaven. In mainstream christianity salvation comes from believing in Christ.
What is said wrong?event horizon wrote:I would encourage members to actually know what they're talking about before pontificating about other faiths, let alone their own.
Flying Dutchman wrote:that salvation in Islam can only be reached in the hereafter, salvation by death, after being subsumed a life long, without liberation on earth.
Flying Dutchman wrote:Christians, friend claims, can be saved alive, meaning after salvation/liberation they can live free of the burden of sin.
He argued that Hindus don't go to hell automatically in his religion - despite what most Christians believe.
The Bible says that those who reject Christ (like Hindus) are condemned and damned
but eh tried to argue that this did not mean they go to hell. That was bizare
especially as Christian commentators quoted explicitly disagreed with his odd-ball new religion.
Interesting that eh hasn't actually told us what he thinks Christianity teaches about salvation. As mentioned in other threads
That's why I said "mainstream" silly. Of course, with more than 20,000 denominations, there are varied beliefs. Some are very close to Islam.event horizon wrote:There is no single Christian belief about salvation. It's only with bigots like yourself who view Christianity as a single monolithic faith would believe Christians and Christian beliefs are all the same.
shafique wrote:Are you really that ashamed to tell us what you think the Christian concept of salvation is - and whether Hitler would be in heaven if he accepted Christ sincerely before dying?
shafique wrote:Are you really that ashamed to tell us what you think the Christian concept of salvation is - and whether Hitler would be in heaven if he accepted Christ sincerely before dying?
There are differences but all these say salvation comes from beleive in the sacrifice of Christ, which is different than both Muslim and Jewish of faith + good works.event horizon wrote:So what is "mainstream"? Catholic? Protestant? Orthodox?
They all have varing beliefs on salvation.
There are differences but all these say salvation comes from beleive in the sacrifice of Christ
which is different than both Muslim and Jewish of faith + good works.
event horizon wrote:I won't argue what Muslims believe.
shafique wrote:what difference there is between Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox and his particular view is on the question - is Hitler in heaven if he had sincerely accepted Christ as saviour before he died?
Is there a difference? Or do they all say he is in heaven?
Check their respective sites.event horizon wrote:Please cite that.
Nucleus wrote: event horizon wrote:Please cite that.
Check their respective sites.
Because then you can understand the correct beliefs as it appears you have some confusion about them. I only stated what is said on their repective sites. I don't know what your objection is about. If something is wrong show it were it is wrong.event horizon wrote:Why would I when I didn't incorrectly claim what Christians and Jews believe?
shafique wrote:Why is eh embarrassed to tell us his view first, and then how they differ from the other Christians (if it differs at all)?
event horizon wrote:I'll start with one of your incorrect beliefs - you claimed faith and good works is a requirement in Judaism for salvation.
Under the Noahide laws for non-jews, but not the Jews. But that is tricky subject. Judaism is more focused on action, hence, they normally say that. So an atheist who fits the noahide laws requirement can go to heaven.event horizon wrote:Many Jews believe atheists will be admitted into their version of heaven.
In Islam an atheist can go into heaven too, but it is a complicated subject and can get misunderstood.event horizon wrote:Thanks, there's your opinion and the view of Rabbis.
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