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Berrin wrote:invaded

Israel already existed thousands of years before the Arabs invaded under the banner of Jihad.

Who are the israelites? I'll entertain you more...

The Israelites and the Jews married Moabites and Ammoites. They produced their children with them. Two kings and a multitude of Israelites are the descendants of the ancestors of today's Jordanians.

There were no original Israelites. Before they existed these non Israelite middle east nations were created and out of the wombs / loins of these Arab nations, every Israelite in the bible came out of. You can not be anything other than the ancestors you came from and the Israelites were nothing but a pot luck of Arabs. You say I am full of it? Great, I challenge you to show me one Israelite in the entire bible who I can not produce scriptures proving their ancestors were non-Israelite, non-jew ... Chaldeans, Syrians, Philistines, Ammoites, Moabites, Amorites, Egyptians, Canaanites, Zidions, Hittites, Havites, Jebusites.. ARABS !

http://encyclopediaegypt.com/israel/i0700.htm

Palestine is an imaginary country that never existed and cannot even be pronounced probably by the people that call themselves Falistitian nowadays.

Oh maybe you mean Philistines...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
They too are indeed ancestors of israelites ...

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Berrin wrote:So what you're saying is that it is not enought to convert judaism you have to be racially a chosen person as well..

No, I am not saying that as its not true.

According to Halakha (Jewish law), only a convert or a child born to a Jewish mother is counted as Jewish. A child with a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother is considered a non-Jew.

Berrin wrote:but who is a jew by race?

Jews are not a race, its an ethnicity.

I meant familia..flesh and blood...

Berrin wrote:Huh..what a lot of garbage from FD .

Nope, there is freedom of religion in Israel. Actually for some religions, like Bahai and Ahmadi's, Israel is the only safe place in the ME.

If there was meant to be freedom of religion in israel then why the heck they saw the need for a jewish state?

Berrin wrote:According to Halakha (Jewish law), only a convert or a child born to a Jewish mother is counted as Jewish.

Berrin wrote:If there was meant to be freedom of religion in israel then why the heck they saw the need for a jewish state?

Being a Jewish state means, that Jewish holidays are kept. So Hanaku is a free day, and not Eid or X-mas. Being a jewish state as no influence at all on freedom of religion. I just guess that Jews like to live together in their ancestral land and keep some traditions. And hé, why not, there are already so many Medieval Islamic states.

Being a Jewish state means, that Jewish holidays are kept. So Hanaku is a free day, and not Eid or X-mas. Being a jewish state as no influence at all on freedom of religion. I just guess that Jews like to live together in their ancestral land and keep some traditions. And hé, why not, there are already so many Medieval Islamic states.

Rubbish you don't need to be a jewish state for jewish holidays to be kept. scandinavian countries now call for muslim holidays...http://www.thelocal.se/33520/20110502/

Long long before israel was created, under ottomans millet system,separate legal courts pertaining to "personal law" under which communities (Muslim Sharia, Christian Canon law and Jewish Halakha law abiding) were allowed to rule themselves under their own system. They were more democrats than todays EU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet_(Ottoman_Empire)

Did they really need israeli state for that reason?

And hé, why not, there are already so many Medieval Islamic states

So many medieval islamic states by whom? You mean by the Machiavellian Europeans and zionist jews....
First they would bugger up everything themselves then would feel sorry for all the bad they had done themselves again by emerging new union called EU...Its a real joke..If they were gonna do the same thing as ottomans then What the heck they wanted from ottomans millet system therefore the ottaman state?