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shafique wrote:Apple Pie - as I said, pretending to be a Christian and deliberately appearing to be silly won't impress many people.

As you say though, we should wait for someone who will play your game.

Good luck.

Cheers,
Shafique

Does this mean that we can count you out...?


Cheers!

Dont know about Shafique..... but you can definitely count me out of this Idiocracy of yours.

All,

Is it safe to state that 4.157 is the only Koranic ayah upon which the entire Islamic denial of Jesus death upon the Cross, rests...?

As further evidence that 4.157 confirms Jesus’ death upon the cross, we have included all the Koranic crucifixion instances, which confirm that the Koran always describes a crucifixion event with complete certainty of death…



• 5.33…they will be crucified till death
• 7.124…I will surely crucify you till death
• 12.41…so will be crucified till death
• 20.71…and I will surely crucify you till death
• 26.49…and I will surely crucify you till death



Death through crucifixion is always mandated in the Koran.

Thus, there is no reason at all to believe that 4.157 would break this trend…

Thanks for finding similarities between the Bible and the Koran,
but how about some discrepencies
such as Abraham building the Kaaba, when the bible never mentioned him going anywhere near Mecca. Why was such an important bit of information left out of the bible?

benwj wrote:Thanks for finding similarities between the Bible and the Koran,
but how about some discrepencies
such as Abraham building the Kaaba, when the bible never mentioned him going anywhere near Mecca. Why was such an important bit of information left out of the bible?

Please show us the relevant Koranic ayahs...

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:Thanks for finding similarities between the Bible and the Koran,
but how about some discrepencies
such as Abraham building the Kaaba, when the bible never mentioned him going anywhere near Mecca. Why was such an important bit of information left out of the bible?

Please show us the relevant Koranic ayahs...

That would be like you asking me to provide the paras in the Bible that refer to where Jesus was born.
Every muslim knows who built the Kaaba.
But this is based on a character from a text that was already 1000+ years old at the time.

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:Thanks for finding similarities between the Bible and the Koran,
but how about some discrepencies
such as Abraham building the Kaaba, when the bible never mentioned him going anywhere near Mecca. Why was such an important bit of information left out of the bible?

Please show us the relevant Koranic ayahs...

That would be like you asking me to provide the paras in the Bible that refer to where Jesus was born.
Every muslim knows who built the Kaaba.
But this is based on a character from a text that was already 1000+ years old at the time.

In other words...you don't have any...

Please come back when you can Koranically support your assertion...thanks...

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:Thanks for finding similarities between the Bible and the Koran,
but how about some discrepencies
such as Abraham building the Kaaba, when the bible never mentioned him going anywhere near Mecca. Why was such an important bit of information left out of the bible?

Please show us the relevant Koranic ayahs...

That would be like you asking me to provide the paras in the Bible that refer to where Jesus was born.
Every muslim knows who built the Kaaba.
But this is based on a character from a text that was already 1000+ years old at the time.

In other words...you don't have any...

Please come back when you can Koranically support your assertion...thanks...

Quran; 2:127] As Abraham raised the foundations of the shrine, together with Ismail (they prayed): "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:Thanks for finding similarities between the Bible and the Koran,
but how about some discrepencies
such as Abraham building the Kaaba, when the bible never mentioned him going anywhere near Mecca. Why was such an important bit of information left out of the bible?

Please show us the relevant Koranic ayahs...

That would be like you asking me to provide the paras in the Bible that refer to where Jesus was born.
Every muslim knows who built the Kaaba.
But this is based on a character from a text that was already 1000+ years old at the time.

In other words...you don't have any...

Please come back when you can Koranically support your assertion...thanks...

Quran; 2:127] As Abraham raised the foundations of the shrine, together with Ismail (they prayed): "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient

There is no mention of the "kabba" in this ayah...nor in the entire sura...

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:Thanks for finding similarities between the Bible and the Koran,
but how about some discrepencies
such as Abraham building the Kaaba, when the bible never mentioned him going anywhere near Mecca. Why was such an important bit of information left out of the bible?

Please show us the relevant Koranic ayahs...

That would be like you asking me to provide the paras in the Bible that refer to where Jesus was born.
Every muslim knows who built the Kaaba.
But this is based on a character from a text that was already 1000+ years old at the time.

In other words...you don't have any...

Please come back when you can Koranically support your assertion...thanks...

Quran; 2:127] As Abraham raised the foundations of the shrine, together with Ismail (they prayed): "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient

There is no mention of the "kabba" in this ayah...nor in the entire sura...

So he didn't build the kabba then?

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

benwj wrote:Thanks for finding similarities between the Bible and the Koran,
but how about some discrepencies
such as Abraham building the Kaaba, when the bible never mentioned him going anywhere near Mecca. Why was such an important bit of information left out of the bible?

Please show us the relevant Koranic ayahs...

That would be like you asking me to provide the paras in the Bible that refer to where Jesus was born.
Every muslim knows who built the Kaaba.
But this is based on a character from a text that was already 1000+ years old at the time.

In other words...you don't have any...

Please come back when you can Koranically support your assertion...thanks...

Quran; 2:127] As Abraham raised the foundations of the shrine, together with Ismail (they prayed): "Our Lord, accept this from us. You are the Hearer, the Omniscient

There is no mention of the "kabba" in this ayah...nor in the entire sura...

So he didn't build the kabba then?

What does the text state...?

Absolutely nothhing.