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Jesus, The Bright Morning Star


وأنه هو أمات وأحيا وأنه خلق الزوجين الذكر والأنثى من نطفة إذا تمنى وأن عليه النشأة الأخرى وأنه هو أغنى وأقنى وأنه هو رب الشعرى

Waannahu huwa amata waahya waannahu khalaqa alzzawjayni alththakara waal-ontha min nutfatin itha tumna waanna AAalayhi alnnash-ata al-okhra waannahu huwa aghna waaqna waannahu huwa rabbu alshshiAAra

And certainly Him, He caused to die, and He gave life. And certainly Him, He made (ready) The Husband and wife, The Male and the female. From a quantity of pure water, when emitted. And certainly in Him (is) The Resurrection, the last. And certainly Him, He fulfills the needs, and He is most preservative. And certainly Him, He is Lord, The Bright Morning Star. (53.44 – 49)




How is it that the authors of the Koran knew that Jesus Christ is God?

Apple Pie wrote:Jesus, The Bright Morning Star


وأنه هو أمات وأحيا وأنه خلق الزوجين الذكر والأنثى من نطفة إذا تمنى وأن عليه النشأة الأخرى وأنه هو أغنى وأقنى وأنه هو رب الشعرى

Waannahu huwa amata waahya waannahu khalaqa alzzawjayni alththakara waal-ontha min nutfatin itha tumna waanna AAalayhi alnnash-ata al-okhra waannahu huwa aghna waaqna waannahu huwa rabbu alshshiAAra

And certainly Him, He caused to die, and He gave life. And certainly Him, He made (ready) The Husband and wife, The Male and the female. From a quantity of pure water, when emitted. And certainly in Him (is) The Resurrection, the last. And certainly Him, He fulfills the needs, and He is most preservative. And certainly Him, He is Lord, The Bright Morning Star. (53.44 – 49)




How is it that the authors of the Koran knew that Jesus Christ is God?

Its talking about freaking GOD, not christ. What's with people's obsession with their own religions (Christians, Muslims and Jews). Can't we all just let it go and be happy with what we choose. Why do you feel the need to instruct other people about their religion?

Bother exactly how are you interpreting these verses?

first of all there is no mention of jesus in those verses, second you took them out of context. lets go a little backwards and see how it starts.


053.031 Yea, to Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: so that He rewards those who do evil, according to their deeds, and He rewards those who do good, with what is best.

053.032 Those who avoid great sins and shameful deeds, only (falling into) small faults,- verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness. He knows you well when He brings you out of the earth, And when ye are hidden in your mothers' wombs. Therefore justify not yourselves: He knows best who it is that guards against evil.

053.033 Seest thou one who turns back,

053.034 Gives a little, then hardens (his heart)?

053.035 What! Has he knowledge of the Unseen so that he can see?

053.036 Nay, is he not acquainted with what is in the Books of Moses-

053.037 And of Abraham who fulfilled his engagements?-

053.038 Namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another;

053.039 That man can have nothing but what he strives for;

Al-Qur'an, 053.030-039 (An-Najm [The Star])


053.040 That (the fruit of) his striving will soon come in sight:

053.041 Then will he be rewarded with a reward complete;

053.042 That to thy Lord is the final Goal;

053.043 That it is He Who granteth Laughter and Tears;

053.044 That it is He Who granteth Death and Life;

053.045 That He did create in pairs,- male and female,

053.046 From a seed when lodged (in its place);

053.047 That He hath promised a Second Creation (Raising of the Dead);

053.048 That it is He Who giveth wealth and satisfaction;

053.049 That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star);

Al-Qur'an, 053.040-049 (An-Najm [The Star])



053.050 And that it is He Who destroyed the (powerful) ancient 'Ad (people),

053.051 And the Thamud nor gave them a lease of perpetual life.

053.052 And before them, the people of Noah, for that they were (all) most unjust and most insolent transgressors,

053.053 And He destroyed the Overthrown Cities (of Sodom and Gomorrah).

053.054 So that (ruins unknown) have covered them up.

053.055 Then which of the gifts of thy Lord, (O man,) wilt thou dispute about?

053.056 This is a Warner, of the (series of) Warners of old!

053.057 The (Judgment) ever approaching draws nigh:

053.058 No (soul) but Allah can lay it bare.

053.059 Do ye then wonder at this recital?

Al-Qur'an, 053.050-059 (An-Najm [The Star])



053.060 And will ye laugh and not weep,-

053.061 Wasting your time in vanities?

053.062 But fall ye down in prostration to Allah, and adore (Him)!

Al-Qur'an, 053.060-062 (An-Najm [The Star])

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no matter how many time u read it u will not find the name of jesus in these verses or his mention being a god....

Brother get your facts straight..

outworldish wrote:Bother exactly how are you interpreting these verses?

By exegeting the classic Arabic.

first of all there is no mention of jesus in those verses,

Wrong.

Jesus is the Bright Morning Star in both the the Holy Bible, and later, as we can see, was copied into the Koran.

second you took them out of context. lets go a little backwards and see how it starts.

Actually, context was shown along with the classic Arabic.

What Arabic word(s) are troubling you...?

no matter how many time u read it u will not find the name of jesus in these verses or his mention being a god....

Wrong.

The classic Arabic states that He is God.

Science found a cure basically for everything, except for foolishness.

Habib wrote:Science found a cure basically for everything, except for foolishness.

How is it that the authors of the Koran understood Jesus Christ to be God Almighty in sura 53...?

Apple Pie wrote:the authors of the Koran

Come on now, there is no need to be offensive.

The tranlation says that he is the lord of the Star not the star himself

to further prove that Quran denounce Jeus as being god or the son of god as follows.....

004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

004.172 Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).


005.072 They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.

005.073 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

005.074 Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

005.075 Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

005.076 Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."

005.077 Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way.


002.136 Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."


003.055 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.


004.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

004.158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

004.159 And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-


004.163 We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.


006.085 And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous:

006.086 And Isma'il and Elisha, and Jonas, and Lot: and to all We gave favour above the nations:


019.034 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

019.035 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

019.036 Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.

outworldish wrote:The tranlation says that he is the lord of the Star not the star himself

Wrong.

It clearly mandates that the Lord is the Bright Morning Star.

Sura 53 even begins with the worshiping of this same Star.

Now...either the authors of this sura were worshiping celestial bodies, or this is no ordinary Star.

to further prove that Quran denounce Jeus as being god or the son of god as follows.....

004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Please show us the Arabic word(s) rendered as "no more than"..."trinity"...and "far exalted is he above having"...

Good luck...

Apple Pie wrote:

outworldish wrote:The tranlation says that he is the lord of the Star not the star himself

Wrong.

It clearly mandates that the Lord is the Bright Morning Star.

Sura 53 even begins with the worshiping of this same Star.

Now...either the authors of this sura were worshiping celestial bodies, or this is no ordinary Star.

to further prove that Quran denounce Jeus as being god or the son of god as follows.....

004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Please show us the Arabic word(s) rendered as "no more than"..."trinity"...and "far exalted is he above having"...

Good luck...

004.171 يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلا الْحَقَّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَى مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِنْهُ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلا تَقُولُوا ثَلاثَةٌ انْتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأرْضِ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلا
004.171 Y[a] ahla alkit[a]bi l[a] taghloo fee deenikum wal[a] taqooloo AAal[a] All[a]hi ill[a] al[h]aqqa innam[a] almasee[h]u AAees[a] ibnu maryama rasoolu All[a]hi wakalimatuhu alq[a]h[a] il[a] maryama waroo[h]un minhu fa[a]minoo bi(A)ll[a]hi warusulihi wal[a] taqooloo thal[a]thatun (Trinity) intahoo khayran lakum innam[a] All[a]hu il[a]hun w[ah]idun sub[ha]nahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu m[a] fee a(l)ssam[a]w[a]ti wam[a] fee al-ar[d]i wakaf[a] bi(A)ll[a]hi wakeel[a](n)
004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Al-Qur'an, 004.171 (An-Nisa [Women])

Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.913

112.001 قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
112.001 Qul huwa All[a]hu a[h]ad(un)
112.001 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

112.002 اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ
112.002 All[a]hu a(l)[ss]amad(u)
112.002 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

112.003 لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ
112.003 Lam yalid walam yoolad(u)
112.003 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

112.004 وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ
112.004 Walam yakun lahu kufuwan a[h]ad(un)
112.004 And there is none like unto Him.

Al-Qur'an, 112.001-004 (Al-Ikhlas [Sincerity])

Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.913

And to come to the point of the bracketed translations for you..... FYI the Quran have been revealed in the poetic form , so it doesnt only require translation but transliteration. you can find both on the internet....

Plus Brother my knowledge is limited .... i would redirect you to the one very famous on debate, If you really want answers? then all you need to do is watch these

Dr.Zakir Naik a well known speaker of Islam & comparative religions. He is well known for quoting the Quraan , Bible & many other religious books of the world

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5193307299

Dr Zakir Naik sheds light on "Did Jesus (PBUH) Claimed Divinity" in a dialog.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5735364519
Was Jesus really crucified 1 of 2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9368520963
Was Jesus really crucified 2 of 2

There are many other sources where you can get answers from, Such as Ahmed Deedat , Dr. Israr Ahmed, Maulana Imran Nazar...... you can find their videos on google as well..... All are Very Well Known Islamic Scholars in the world..... and alhamdulillah They were never proven wrong.

Next time you post a translation of a verse from quran, provide a reference to back it up.

outworldish wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

outworldish wrote:The tranlation says that he is the lord of the Star not the star himself

Wrong.

It clearly mandates that the Lord is the Bright Morning Star.

Sura 53 even begins with the worshiping of this same Star.

Now...either the authors of this sura were worshiping celestial bodies, or this is no ordinary Star.

to further prove that Quran denounce Jeus as being god or the son of god as follows.....

004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Please show us the Arabic word(s) rendered as "no more than"..."trinity"...and "far exalted is he above having"...

Good luck...

004.171 يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلا الْحَقَّ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَى مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِنْهُ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ وَلا تَقُولُوا ثَلاثَةٌ انْتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الأرْضِ وَكَفَى بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلا
004.171 Y[a] ahla alkit[a]bi l[a] taghloo fee deenikum wal[a] taqooloo AAal[a] All[a]hi ill[a] al[h]aqqa innam[a] almasee[h]u AAees[a] ibnu maryama rasoolu All[a]hi wakalimatuhu alq[a]h[a] il[a] maryama waroo[h]un minhu fa[a]minoo bi(A)ll[a]hi warusulihi wal[a] taqooloo thal[a]thatun (Trinity) intahoo khayran lakum innam[a] All[a]hu il[a]hun w[ah]idun sub[ha]nahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu m[a] fee a(l)ssam[a]w[a]ti wam[a] fee al-ar[d]i wakaf[a] bi(A)ll[a]hi wakeel[a](n)
004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Al-Qur'an, 004.171 (An-Nisa [Women])

Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.913

Not quite...

The word "trinity" never existed in classic Arabic. Hence, when you have translators such as Yusuf Ali forcing this word into the text, it is simply an abrogation of the text.

Secondly, where are the Arabic words for "no more than"...and..."far exalted is he above having"...?

Perhaps you are having difficulty...as the words never appear in the Arabic!

More deceit.

And to come to the point of the bracketed translations for you..... FYI the Quran have been revealed in the poetic form , so it doesnt only require translation but transliteration. you can find both on the internet....

Plus Brother my knowledge is limited .... i would redirect you to the one very famous on debate, If you really want answers? then all you need to do is watch these

Dr.Zakir Naik a well known speaker of Islam & comparative religions. He is well known for quoting the Quraan , Bible & many other religious books of the world

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5193307299

Dr Zakir Naik sheds light on "Did Jesus (PBUH) Claimed Divinity" in a dialog.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 5735364519
Was Jesus really crucified 1 of 2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9368520963
Was Jesus really crucified 2 of 2

There are many other sources where you can get answers from, Such as Ahmed Deedat , Dr. Israr Ahmed, Maulana Imran Nazar...... you can find their videos on google as well..... All are Very Well Known Islamic Scholars in the world..... and alhamdulillah They were never proven wrong.

Unfortunately, these googled resources offer NOTHING to rebut the assertions in this thread.

112.001 قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
112.001 Qul huwa All[a]hu a[h]ad(un)
112.001 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

112.002 اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ
112.002 All[a]hu a(l)[ss]amad(u)
112.002 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

112.003 لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ
112.003 Lam yalid walam yoolad(u)
112.003 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

112.004 وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ
112.004 Walam yakun lahu kufuwan a[h]ad(un)
112.004 And there is none like unto Him.

Al-Qur'an, 112.001-004 (Al-Ikhlas [Sincerity])

Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.9


109.001 قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ
109.001 Qul y[a] ayyuh[a] alk[a]firoon(a)
109.001 Say : O ye that reject Faith!

109.002 لا أَعْبُدُ مَا تَعْبُدُونَ
109.002 L[a] aAAbudu m[a] taAAbudoon(a)
109.002 I worship not that which ye worship,

109.003 وَلا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ
109.003 Wal[a] antum AA[a]bidoona m[a] aAAbud(u)
109.003 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109.004 وَلا أَنَا عَابِدٌ مَا عَبَدْتُمْ
109.004 Wal[a] an[a] AA[a]bidun m[a] AAabadtum
109.004 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

109.005 وَلا أَنْتُمْ عَابِدُونَ مَا أَعْبُدُ
109.005 Wal[a] antum AA[a]bidoona m[a] aAAbud(u)
109.005 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

109.006 لَكُمْ دِينُكُمْ وَلِيَ دِينِ
109.006 Lakum deenukum waliya deen(i)
109.006 To you be your Way, and to me mine.

Al-Qur'an, 109.001-006 (Al-Kafiroon [The Disbelievers, Atheists])

Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.9

How is it that the authors of the Koran knew that Jesus Christ is God?

Apple Pie - well done, you have uncovered a previously unknown fact - that the Quran declares Jesus to be God.

When you have convinced one Muslim or any Arabic speaker of this fact, please report back.

Guys - there are some debates that aren't worth having!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:Apple Pie - well done, you have uncovered a previously unknown fact - that the Quran declares Jesus to be God.

The authors who penned the Koranic text (as we know it to be today) fully understood that Jesus Christ is God.

When you have convinced one Muslim or any Arabic speaker of this fact, please report back.

Done.

اتخذوا أحبارهم ورهبنهم أربابا من دون الله
والمسيح ابن مريم وما أمروا إلا ليعبدوا إلها
وحدا لا إله إلا هو سبحنه عما يشركون

Ittakhathoo ahbarahum waruhbanahum arbaban min dooni Allahi waalmaseeha ibna maryama wama omiroo illa liyaAAbudoo ilahan wahidan la ilaha illa huwa subhanahu AAamma yushrikoona

9.31 They have taken their learned persons and their monks (as) lords from superior (to) “allah” and The Messiah, Mary's Son; and they commanded not except that they may worship one god, no god except He, glory be to Him from what they associate partners.


Observe that “allah” is included along with The Messiah, Jesus Christ, via the copulative conjunction “wa”, as being part and parcel of the prepositional phrase initiating with “min” (from).

Further, although "allah" and Jesus are listed separately, they are treated as ONE...via the singular "huwa" (him)...

This is the same exact method as used in the Holy Bible in many locations that proclaim the divinity of Jesus Christ...and, as such, the authors of the Koran have also copied this over into their opus.

The difference being that they have attempted to raise the pagan Arab god "allah" up to the Biblical deity status of Jesus Christ.

You will see the modern English translators deceitfully butchering this text by inserting all sorts of add-on-words in parenthesis – in order to make this ayah conform to the Islamic paradigm.

Fact of the matter is that this ayah proclaims Jesus Christ as God Almighty.

So, now you agree that Allah wrote the Quran. Excellent.

When did you become a Muslim - was it since the last post in the other thread?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:So, now you agree that Allah wrote the Quran. Excellent.

When did you become a Muslim - was it since the last post in the other thread?

Cheers,
Shafique

We can both agree that the Koranic "allah" is Satan.

Cheers...

So you say that satan can predict the future and fulfil prophecies.

Now you have confused me - for the Bible says only God can make true prophecies. So that means you can't be a Christian.. hmmm..

Are you a Hindu who believes in Jesus?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:So you say that satan can predict the future and fulfil prophecies.

You worship him, you tell us...

Now you have confused me - for the Bible says only God can make true prophecies. So that means you can't be a Christian.. hmmm..

Are you a Hindu who believes in Jesus?

Cheers,
Shafique

Perhaps you are confusing the false god "allah" of the Koran, with the true creator God of the Universe, as revealed to us in the Holy Bible...yes?

053.049
YUSUFALI: That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star);

PICKTHAL: And that He it is Who is the Lord of Sirius;

SHAKIR: And that He is the Lord of the Sirius;

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/053.qmt.html

Apple Pie are you a Scientologist?

outworldish wrote:053.049
YUSUFALI: That He is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star);

PICKTHAL: And that He it is Who is the Lord of Sirius;

SHAKIR: And that He is the Lord of the Sirius;

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/053.qmt.html

Where is the Arabic exegesis...or...are you ashamed of the Arabic...?

shafique wrote:Apple Pie are you a Scientologist?

Christian.

Apple Pie wrote:

shafique wrote:Apple Pie are you a Scientologist?

Christian.

Which of the versions of the Bible do you believe in? Eg are you a Coptic Christian, or Ethiopian Christian?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique wrote:

Apple Pie wrote:

shafique wrote:Apple Pie are you a Scientologist?

Christian.

Which of the versions of the Bible do you believe in? Eg are you a Coptic Christian, or Ethiopian Christian?

Cheers,
Shafique

Westcott Hort...

قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما
يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم

Qul in kana lilrrahmani waladun faana awwalu alAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawati waal-ardi rabbi alAAarshi AAamma yasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoo wayalAAaboo hatta yulaqoo yawmahumu allathee yooAAadoona wahuwa allathee fee alssama-i ilahun wafee al-ardi ilahun wahuwa alhakeemu alAAaleemu

Say: "Indeed on account of the most Merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers' first.” Glory be to the Lord (of) the heavens and the earth, the throne's Lord, from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud, God, and upon the earth, God, and He, the wise, the one who knows. (43.81 – 84)



These ayahs proclaim that the Son is worshiped directly as deity.

They also proclaim that the Son is God, not only upon the earth, but in the Cloud upon which he returns...just as copied from the Holy Bible...

How did the authors of the Koran know this to be true?

Bible itself proves that Jesus is not God. Rather he was a son of man [Acts 2:22] and a prophet [Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19]. That's what Quran says. So, Muslims are the true follower of Jesus!



Here are lots of Biblical verses that prove that Jesus is not God:



"My Father is greater than I." [John 14:28]



"My Father is greater than all." [John 10:29]



"I cast out devils by the Spirit of God." [Matthew 12:28]



"Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God." [Mark 10:18]



"Jesus cried with a loud voice ... My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" [Mark 15:34]



"No-one knows about the day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father." [Mark 13:32]



"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." [Mark 12:29]



"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." [Matthew 7:21]



"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [John 5:30]



"The word which ye hear is not mine but the Father's which sent me." [John 14:24]



"I have not come on my own; but Father sent me." [John 8:42]



"Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." [Luke 23:34]



"I am ascending to my God and your God." [John 20:17]



"Jesus fell with his face to the ground and prayed: My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." [Matthew 26:39]



"The crowds answered: This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee." [Matthew 21:11]



"He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people." [Luke 24:19]



"People of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know." [Acts 2:22]



"God is not a human, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." [Numbers 23:19]



"And that there is none other God but one." [1 Corinthians 8:4]



"Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil." [Matthew 4:1]



"Jesus went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. [Matthew 14:23]



"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Matthew 24:36]

hifriend223 wrote:Bible itself proves that Jesus is not God. Rather he was a son of man [Acts 2:22] and a prophet [Matthew 21:11, Luke 24:19]. That's what Quran says. So, Muslims are the true follower of Jesus!



Here are lots of Biblical verses that prove that Jesus is not God:



"My Father is greater than I." [John 14:28]



"My Father is greater than all." [John 10:29]



"I cast out devils by the Spirit of God." [Matthew 12:28]



"Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God." [Mark 10:18]



"Jesus cried with a loud voice ... My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" [Mark 15:34]



"No-one knows about the day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, not the son, but only the Father." [Mark 13:32]



"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." [Mark 12:29]



"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." [Matthew 7:21]



"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." [John 5:30]



"The word which ye hear is not mine but the Father's which sent me." [John 14:24]



"I have not come on my own; but Father sent me." [John 8:42]



"Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." [Luke 23:34]



"I am ascending to my God and your God." [John 20:17]



"Jesus fell with his face to the ground and prayed: My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." [Matthew 26:39]



"The crowds answered: This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee." [Matthew 21:11]



"He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people." [Luke 24:19]



"People of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know." [Acts 2:22]



"God is not a human, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent." [Numbers 23:19]



"And that there is none other God but one." [1 Corinthians 8:4]



"Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil." [Matthew 4:1]



"Jesus went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. [Matthew 14:23]



"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." [Matthew 24:36]

None of these googled verses states that Jesus is not God.

Even the authors of the Koran understood that He is God.