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Hi abs , here is the explanation I told you I will send . I don’t understand why sweet mary has locked the thread . any way . in fact ,, I am not satisfied with the level of explanation coz this is the second time I write this explanation , after I wrote it the first time , and submitted it ,, I found out that I was logged out automatically , and lost everything I put there ,, I really prepared a good explanation ,, and stayed too long on it . but I lost it ,,so if you still find anything not explained to your satisfaction just ask me about it .


1- The Koran says:
Sura 112: 2 God is the Eternal! 3 He begets not and is not begotten!

In fact this is something related to the way we muslims believe in god and yes ,,its different from the Christian belief . the reason that this sura was sent to the prophet Muhammad –pbuh- is that the unbelievers came to the prophet and asked him: oh Muhammad ,describe you god to us , how does he/she look like ? what is his sex ? does he eat ? does he drink ? so the answer came from god himself , and you missed something here my friend ,, this sura begins with the word : Say ,, its an order from god to the prophet to say his answer to the unbelievers it is like this :

[1] Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
[2] Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
[3] He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
[4] And there is none like unto Him


2-The Koran says:
[Sura 8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

In fact you missed some the beginning of it : its like this :
7] Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words, and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers.
[8] That He might justify Truth and prove Falsehood false, distasteful though it be to those in guilt.
[9] Remember ye implored the assistance of your Lord, and He answered you: "I will assist you with a thousand of the angels, ranks on ranks."
[10] Allah made it but a message of hope, and an assurance to your hearts, (in any case) there is no help except from Allah: and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
[11] Remember He covered you with a sort of drowsiness, to give you calm as from Himself, and He caused rain to descend on you from heaven, to clean you therewith, to remove from you the stain of Satan, to strengthen your hearts, and to plant your feet firmly therewith.
[12] Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them."


Well,, as algren said ,, there is a specific case for this ,,, and exactly it was in the first battle that muslims had against the unbelievers . well the story goes like this : when the muslims wher kicked out of mecca , the unbelievers didn’t allow them to take their money with them . now ,, few years after the prophet has immigrated to Madinah , where he established the first state of Islam ,,some news came to the prophet that a trading was coming to mecca , so the prophet wanted to take advantage of that to take back some of the money that the unbelievers took – with no right from the muslims .and when the unbelievers knew about that they prepared themselves for the war to protect their trading , so , this is what it is meant by the verse above that : Allah has promised you one of the two . and the muslims wanted the one with the trading but god had another arranging . and they went through the war . and he sent these verses to make muslims feel better that God is supporting them with angles . coz their number was tooooooooooo small considering the unbelievers number.

3- The Koran says:
[Sura 5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people

The reason for that this one was sent , is that a companion of the prophet came to him and said : oh messenger of Allah , I have many jewish friends and I can ask help from them any time I want to . but I will abandon them all ,,for that I will ask the for the help of only God . then the head of the hypocrites at that time who was there at that conversation said : but I cant abandon Jewish ,, coz I am afraid that things will turn back on you by time Muhammad . then god has sent that verse . of course it doesn’t mean that we hate Christians and Jewish for only being themselves ,, but that companion of the prophet wanted to show loyalty to Aallah, and that he is not taking in consideration his relations with the Jewish people , and the verse was a came as an answer to the head of the hypocrites .


4- The Koran says:
[Sura 9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Again this is something related to the belief . well,,, in islam we believe in Jesus – pbuh – as a messenger of god ,,,just like Muhammad pbuh, and of course Uzair also ,,, and all the other messengers ,, but we don’t believe in what chiristians believe in ,,of that Jesus is the son of god . as the first example you gave above , God is only and absolute ,,, and he doesn’t need a son ,, doesn’t need a partner doesn’t need anything of what we human being might need,,, neither of what ever would need ,, he is the creator of the whole universe . So we cant say about him what applies to us , or any creature . and ,, why would a God need a son ???? we cant compare between God and human beings ,
And let me tell you something interesting about our belief in Jesus ,, I don’t know if you heard it somewhere else ,,,we believe that Jusus will come back ,, we don’t believe that he is dead ,, he was saved by the miracle of god and raised to the heavens to be saved from the unbelievers , and he still will come back to save the world when this world comes to its end . we believe that he was not crossed . and toooo many things .


5-The Koran says:
[sura 2:194] (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you

well,, you should have written the whole verse man ,,, you are doing the same thing that I told you that some Christian channels are doing about misleading people about Islam . the full verse was like this :

194] The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.

Now. In islam during Hajj ,, its strictly prohibited to kill animals , birds , people ,, even its prohibited to argue with people . of course its prohibited all the time but this is a very special case ,,,

Now,, this also has a story ,,, its when Prophet Muhammad wanted to perform Hajj ,, he and the muslims , went towards Mecca and they stayed in a place near mecca coz the unbelievers didn’t allow them to enter Mecca for Hajj ,,coz at that time it was still in their grab. So the prophet sent one of his companions ( Utman Ibn Affan ,, who later became the third Calif ) to the unbelievers to negotiate the matter . then some news came to the prophet that his messenger was killed inside of mecca , so he got angry but they were their for Hajj ,,,,, so this verse was sent to him allowing him to fight the unbelievers even during the Hajj time . but of course that was a particular case . but when the prophet has known that was only a rumor ,,,he went back according to the agreement that he reached with the unbelievers .




Believe me ,, abs ,,, there much more explanation ,,, I am not specialized in isalmic studies ,,not only this ,,,,,, to tell yo about Quraan you need a specialist . we are not entitled to explain it on our own .

As I told you ,, my explanation was way better than this one , but you know when you write something and loose it ,, and you try to write it the same way ,, its not the same , you will be loosing something ,, but any way ,, if you just feel like you need some more explanation on something ,,just send me . ok ?

Subhan Allah... Everytime I see things on the Quran and Islam it gives me a warm comforting feeling... I really feel deeply in my faith... God Bless...

sabiqoon wrote:Castellano...Very elaborate mashallah... Do you live in Dubai?

hi there ,, yes i am in dubai , what about you ?

Hello Castellano.

I am grateful for your reply and attention to my questions.
I will have a closer look at them and ..maybe..ask more questions if you don't mind
I am starting to get a clearer understanding about the Quran, but I hope to know more. Much ,much more.

Meanwhile,tell me your views on this..:

The history concerning Jesus was written by His disciples.
Matthew, Mark Luke, John ,Peter, Thomas, Bathalomew, Mary Magdalene,Lazarus, John the Baptist, Paul (Saul), Titus, Timothy and many more.
But only 4 of them were used as the actual history of Jesus (Matthew, Mark,John and Luke.
They were recorded by the disciples and compiled as books.
They do not compare their notes and therefore proofs that they are the truth. If not, they WILL NOT get some of the figures wrong. Like the story when Jesus feeds the 5000 people-written by Matthew. But when Mark wrote his, he put it down as 4000 people. But really..whos counting anyway. There were alot of people.
The argument has always been; if the same message is passed down a series of people, the final message will be most certainly wrong.
But not in this case. They were complimenting each other. Although the things the disciples wrote were of different perspective. Just like how 2 person will perceive a city from 2 different points. One will say "what a beautiful golden gate" while the other will say:" What beautiful turrets".
Although written in different perspective and views, they are, in the essence, talking about the same person on the same event that happened.
And they are the people who have seen Him, ate with Him, drank with Him, and prayed with Him.
Before Jesus was crucified, Judas's body was already found hanging from a tree outside the city.
Jesus's last words were these:
"Father,Father!!! Why have you forsakened Me???"
and then a few moments later, His expression changed to a solemn one and He said:
"It is done."
And He dropped His head and gave up His life.
This account was written by the Roman Centurion over seeing the crucifiction. And if you doubt that Roman, consider Mary and John that was standing no less then 2 meters away from Jesus on the cross.
It was Him that said :"It is done" and then it was His body that the other roman soldier pieced on the side. Followed by water and blood coming out of His body. And the whole sky turned black. So great was the darkness that it actually bruises the body as the darkness "presses down" on you. Then comes the earthquake that splits all the syganoges(temples of God) in half, tearing the curtains to the "Holiest of Holy" (place reservd for priests only).

His body was later taken down and wrapped in linen. Believe them when they say it is Jesus. If not them, atleast you should believe the mother who knows Him like flesh and blood.

And YES!! Jesus will return! And mind you, it is written that only a ressurrected or a raptured being can "return" to Earth from Heaven.
That means only 3 possible candidates in the bible.
Jesus, Moses and Elijah.

Jesus said that He and the Father are one.

Thank you for your valuable information.

God Bless you.

P.S: Is it neccesary to put the title "prophet" infront while mentioning Mohamed ? Don't mean to be disrespectful.

God tricked the Jews and everyone else to think that Jesus was on the cruxifix. God is powerful, if He chose to trick everyone and save Jesus by ascension then, yes, even his (Jesus) own mother would not know the difference... Thats how powerful God is.

Jesus and God and not one. God is one. Jesus is His prophet.

And yes, its always Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Thats how you write it out.

Hello Liban.
Like to say a special apology to you first ,bro.

And Prophet Mohamed it is from now on.

So back to your last statement.
What do you think the purpose of taking Jesus away after He has been brutally beaten and humiliated would be? Whats the result of such an act?
Again, this was from first hand account from the people that knew Him.
God does things for a reason when it comes to events like the way you said it. There is always a lesson He is trying to teach to us.
Tell me what the Quran said concerning this act,please.
Thanks for the reply ,bro.

Hey man, thats cool

It wasn't Jesus either. God didn't want His messanger to suffer anymore than he had already suffered - and he suffered greatly in the hands of the Jews and others (just like the Prophet Mohammed suffered greatly).

He spared him and put some unknown sinner in his place and tricked the Jews (everyone else for that matter) to think it was Jesus. God helped His chosen messanger and took him to heaven for safety and to ensure his return in the Day of Days...

God loves Jesus but not in the conventional sense of the word love that we human know of. He loves him as he loves the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and Moses and His other chosen men... Those that bore ill-will towards them and never sought to change their ways and repent for their actions will surely be doomed. So says God. So don't worry dude, none of the suffereing of any of His messangers was in vain...

Ok.
Can you highlight to me that page in the Quran where this was said so that I can read it myself?
Thanks man. I appreciate the info.

God Bless

abs wrote:Hello Castellano.

I am grateful for your reply and attention to my questions.
I will have a closer look at them and ..maybe..ask more questions if you don't mind
I am starting to get a clearer understanding about the Quran, but I hope to know more. Much ,much more.

Meanwhile,tell me your views on this..:

The history concerning Jesus was written by His disciples.
Matthew, Mark Luke, John ,Peter, Thomas, Bathalomew, Mary Magdalene,Lazarus, John the Baptist, Paul (Saul), Titus, Timothy and many more.
.

Hi Abs ,, first let me thank you for your understanding ,, and the way you reacted positively to this matter . and I would really ( with too much Joy ) answer you to any question or any explanation you need ( If I would have the answer ) coz as I told you from the beginning ,, I AM NOT A SPECIALIST IN ISLAMIC STUDIES . it needs a lot of time a lot of effort a lot of being wise .

But I want to draw your attention to something >>> Professors in Islam ,, have created a science which I may translate into English like: the science of knowing people , it means knowing the person who said something over the history weather heard or seen ,, and in this science they were very strict so that if a person for example said that he heard the prophet said so and so ,, and this person has lied even one single lie in his life ,, even a very single simple one ,,, they will throw what he said away ,, I mean they will consider it incorrect ,, although they will mention it ,, and give complete details about the person ,, about the saying that he claims to be said by the prophet . I am telling you about this coz I may need to mention it in my post here .

About mentioning the word ( prophet ) when referring to the prophet Muhammad pbuh,,,, (((allow me Liban here to say)) ,,,,,, Abs or any non-muslim person , doesn’t have to say prophet ,, I mean he is not forced to say it ,,, coz simply he doesn’t even believe that he is a messenger nor a prophet ,, he doesn’t believe in Quraan as Holy book ,, he doesn’t believe in Islam as a religion chosen by God . and simply Muslims can not at any case ,,, force people to embrace what they believe . WE JUST OFFER IT , AS SIMPLE AS IT IS. Coz even in the days of the prophet Muhammad pbuh,, when an unbeliever in islam came to the prohet pbuh,,, to ask about islam : they used to say : Oh , Muhammad ……, and they ask what they wanted … its enough to mention the name with respect – maybe you don’t feel it in your heart ,,, but the words around it ,, shows if you are talking about the prophet pbuh,, in respect or not .
In a saying for the prophet Muhammad pbuh he said : (I am only a son of a woman from the tribe of Quraish – this is the tribe lived in Mecca - who used to eat meat .) he said so coz he was a very nice person ,, and to us he is the greatest person on earth .

And when we say that Jesus pbuh ,,hasn’t died on the Cross ,, we don’t mean by this to underestimate your beliefs ,,, we only say what our religion told us about this matter .

Now for what you asked for my views on ,, I really don’t know about Christianity in details ,,, what I mean ,, I have never read the Bible ,,, I have some Christian friends who used to tell some things from time to time ,, but I know very well about your belief about that Jesus has died on the Cross ,, and why he died this way ,, I know that you believe that he died for the sake of people and their sins ,,, and I know that this is the root of your belief ,,, and being the root of your believe for so much time of your life ,,, usually I just don’t discuss this matter ,,, coz it will lead me no where ,,but I am sure that a specialist might discuss it the best way . I just offer and say what islam says about it ,

Now for the disciples of Jesus ,, I know that also ,, but the problem wasn’t with them ,, it was with the Jews whom in the first place Jesus was sent as a prophet to ( or you can say the whole world ,, coz every body who existed at that time should have believed in him and his message ) ,, I am not referring to the Jews coz we arabs or muslims have problem with them nowadays ,, but it’s the truth ,,, they started manipulating with the Bible( just like they did with the Torah ) ,, adding this and removing that ,, deforming every thing in it ,,, coz the Bible for muslims is the same of Quraan ,, it’s the words of God ,, of course the one before being messed up by Jews ,,they started all this thing after Jesus has been raised to heavens by the miracle of God ,, or if you like to say ,, after he was Crossed according to you,,, they started to give the evil ideas ,,,, ( I will give a hint below with the sura of Mariam – Mary - ) .

Here is the whole surah of Mariam – sura no.19- ,, I will give some hints where I feel they are needed ,,but any way ,,where you feel you need an explanation ( before trying to interpret it on your own ) just try to ask me ( or any one who can give the right explanation ,, it doesn’t have to be me ) .


In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1] Kaf, Ha, Ya, 'Ain, Sad.
(((my hint: these are some letters in Arabic ,they are written here in English as they are pronounced in Arabic , they are still mysterious for everybody , coz they are only a combination of some letters of the language which give no meaning in the language known to people )))[2] (This is) a recital of the Mercy of thy Lord to His servant Zakariya.
[3] Behold! he cried to his Lord in secret,
[4] Praying: "O my Lord! infirm indeed are my bones, and the hair of my head doth glisten with grey: but never am I unblest, O my Lord, in my prayer to Thee!
[5] "Now I fear (what) my relatives (and colleagues) (will do) after me: but my wife is barren: so give me an heir as from Thyself,
[6] "(One that) will (truly) represent me, and represent the posterity of Ya'qub; and make him, O my Lord! one with whom Thou art well pleased!"
[7] (His prayer was answered): "O Zakariya We give thee good news of a son: his name shall be Yahya: on none by that name have We conferred distinction before."
[8] He said: "O my Lord! how shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"
[9] He said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me: I did indeed create thee before, when thou hadst been nothing!'"
[10] (Zakariya) said: "O my Lord! give me a Sign." "Thy Sign," was the answer, "Shall be that thou shalt speak to no man for three nights, although thou art not dumb."
[11] So Zakariya came out to his people from his chamber: he told them by signs to celebrate Allah's praises in the morning and in the evening.
[12] (To his son came the command): "O Yahya! take hold of the Book with might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth.
[13] And pity (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: he was devout,
[14] And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious.
[15] So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!
[16] Relate in the Book (the story of) Maryam, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.
[17] She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.
[18] She said: "I seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."
[19] He said: "Nay, I am only a Messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son."
[20] She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"
[21] He said: "So (it will be): thy Lord saith, 'That is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': it is matter (so) decreed."
[22] So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.
[23] And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree: she cried (in her anguish) "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
[24] But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
[25] "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree; it will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
[26] "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to (Allah) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into no talk with any human being'"
[27] At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Maryam! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
(((My hint: here Jews accused Mary pbuh with committing adultery !!!)))
[28] "O sister of Harun! thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
[29] But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
[30] He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
[31] "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live:
[32] "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
[33] "So Peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"
(((my hint : what is meant by :the day that I die is the day he dies after he comes back when the world comes to its end, coz every thing will die but God(Allah). )))
[34] Such (was) 'Isa the son of Maryam: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
[35] It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.
[36] Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a way that is straight.
[37] But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the Unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a momentous Day!
[38] How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! but the unjust today are in error manifest!
[39] But warn them of the Day of Distress, when the matter will be determined: for (behold,) they are negligent and they do not believe!
[40] It is We Who will inherit the earth, and all beings thereon: to Us will they all be returned.
[41] (Also) mention in the Book (the story of) Ibrahim: he was a man of truth: a prophet.
[42] Behold, he said to his father: "O my father! why worship that which heareth not, and seeth not and can profit thee nothing?
[43] "O my father! to me hath come knowledge which hath not reached thee: so follow me: I will guide thee to a Way that is even and straight.
[44] "O my father! serve not Satan: for Satan is a rebel against (Allah) Most Gracious.
[45] "O my father! I fear lest a Penalty afflict thee from (Allah) Most Gracious, so that thou become to Satan a friend."
[46] (The father) replied: "Dost thou hate my gods, O Ibrahim? If thou forbear not, I will indeed stone thee: now get away from me for a good long while!"
[47] Ibrahim said: "Peace be on thee: I will pray to my Lord for thy forgiveness: for He is to me Most Gracious.
[48] "And I will turn away from you (all) and from those whom ye invoke besides Allah: I will call on my Lord: perhaps, by my prayer to my Lord, I shall be not unblest."
[49] When he had turned away from them and from those whom they worshipped besides Allah, We bestowed on him Ishaq and Ya'qub, and each one of them We made a prophet.
[50] And We bestowed of Our Mercy on them, and We granted them lofty honour on the tongue of truth.
[51] Also mention in the Book (the story of) Musa: for he was specially chosen, and he was a Messenger (and) a Prophet.
[52] And We called him from the right side of Mount (Sinai), and made him draw near to Us for mystic (converse).
[53] And, out of Our Mercy, We gave him his brother Harun, (also) a prophet.
[54] Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: he was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a Messenger (and) a Prophet.
[55] He used to enjoin on his people Prayer and Charity, and he was most acceptable in the sight of his Lord.
[56] Also mention in the Book the case of Idris: he was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet:
[57] And We raised him to a lofty station.
[58] Those were some of the prophets on whom Allah did bestow His Grace, of the posterity of Adam, and of those whom We carried (in the Ark) with Nuh, and of the posterity of Ibrahim and Israel, of those whom We guided and chose. Whenever the Signs of (Allah) Most Gracious were rehearsed to them, they would fall down in prostrate adoration and in tears,
[59] But after them there followed a posterity who missed prayers and followed after lusts: soon, then will they face Destruction,
[60] Except those who repent and believe, and work righteousness: for these will enter the Garden and will not be wronged in the least,
[61] Gardens of Eternity, those which (Allah) Most Gracious has promised to His servants in the Unseen: for His promise must (necessarily) come to pass.
[62] They will not there hear any vain discourse, but only salutations of Peace: and they will have therein their sustenance, morning and evening.
[63] Such is the Garden which We give as an inheritance to those of Our Servants who guard against evil.
[64] (The angels say:) "We descend not but by command of thy Lord: to Him belongeth what is before us, and what is behind us, and what is between: and thy Lord never doth forget,
[65] "Lord of the heavens and of the earth, and of all that is between them: so worship Him, and be constant and patient in His worship: knowest thou of any who is worthy of the same Name as He?"
[66] Man says: "What! when I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?"
[67] But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?
[68] So, by thy Lord, without doubt, We shall gather them together, and (also) the Evil Ones (with them); then shall We bring them forth on their knees round about Hell;
[69] Then shall We certainly drag out from every sect all those who were worst in obstinate rebellion against (Allah) Most Gracious.
[70] And certainly We know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein.
[71] Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.
[72] But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees.
[73] When Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them, the Unbelievers say to those who believe, "Which of the two sides is best in point of position? Which makes the best show in Council?"
[74] But how many (countless) generations before them have We destroyed, who were even better in equipment and in glitter to the eye?
[75] Say: "If any men go astray, (Allah) Most Gracious extends (the rope) to them. Until, when they see the warning of Allah (being fulfilled) - either in punishment or in (the approach of) the Hour, - they will at length realise who is worst in position, and (who) weaker in forces!
[76] "And Allah doth advance in guidance those who seek guidance: and the things that endure. Good Deeds, are best in the sight of thy Lord, as rewards, and best in respect of (their) eventual returns."
[77] Hast thou then seen the (sort of) man who rejects Our Signs, yet says: "I shall certainly be given wealth and children?"
[78] Has he penetrated to the Unseen, or has he taken a contract with (Allah) Most Gracious?
[79] Nay! We shall record what he says, and We shall add and add to his punishment.
[80] To Us shall return all that he talks of, and he shall appear before Us bare and alone.
[81] And they have taken (for worship) gods other than Allah, to give them power and glory!
[82] Instead, they shall reject their worship, and become adversaries against them.
[83] Seest thou not that We have set the Evil Ones on against the Unbelievers, to incite them with fury?
[84] So make no haste against them, for We but count out to them a (limited) number (of days).
[85] The day We shall gather the righteous to (Allah) Most Gracious, like a band presented before a king for honours.
[86] And We shall drive the sinners to hell, like thirsty cattle driven down to water,
[87] None shall have the power of intercession, but such a one as has received permission (or promise) from (Allah) Most Gracious.
[88] They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"
[89] Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!
[90] As if the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin.
[91] That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.
[92] For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.
[93] Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant.
[94] He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly.
[95] And every one of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment.
[96] On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness will (Allah) Most Gracious bestow Love.
[97] So have We made the (Qur-an) easy in thine own tongue, that with it thou mayest give glad tidings to the righteous, and warnings to people given to contention.
[98] But how many (countless) generations before them have We destroyed? Canst thou find a single one of them (now) or hear (so much as) a whisper of them?

End of Sura Mariam .

Now here is what you asked Liban about where you can find the things she told in Holy Quraan , sura no.4 Al Nesa’a ( Women ) ,,,

[153] The People of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: indeed they asked Musa for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, by thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after Clear Signs had come to them; even so We forgave them; and gave Musa manifest proofs of authority.
(( my hint: the people of book mentioned here are Jews only not Christians)))[154] And for their Covenant We raised over them (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai); and (on another occasion) We said: "Enter the gate with humility"; and (once again) We commanded them: "Transgress not in the matter of the Sabbath." And We took from them a solemn Covenant.
[155] (They have incurred divine displeasure): in that they broke their Covenant; that they rejected the Signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said, "Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah's Word; we need no more)"; nay Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy, and little is it they believe.
[156] That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Maryam a grave false charge;
[157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
[158] Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
[159] And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them.
[160] For the iniquity of the Jews We made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them; in that they hindered many from Allah's way.
[161] That they took usury, though they were forbidden; and that they devoured men's substance wrongfully; We have prepared for those among them who reject Faith a grievous punishment.
[162] But those among them who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the Believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what was revealed before thee; and (especially) those who establish regular prayer and practise regular charity and believe in Allah and in the Last Day: to them shall We soon give a great reward.
[163] We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Nuh and the Messengers after him: We sent inspiration to Ibrahim, Isma'il, Ishaq, Ya'qub, and the Tribes, to 'Isa, Ayyub, Yunus, Harun, and Sulaiman, and to Dawud We gave the Psalms.
[164] Of some Messenger We have already told thee the story; of others We have not, and to Musa Allah spoke direct.
[165] Messengers who gave good news as well as warning, that mankind, after (the coming) of the Messengers, should have no plea against Allah: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
[166] But Allah beareth witness that what He hath sent unto thee He hath sent from His (own) knowledge, and the angels bear witness: but enough is Allah for a witness.

End of quote from sura Al Nesa’a

Now ,, well man ,,,, its tooooooooooooo late for me here ,, I have work early in the morning ,,, so ,, excuse me if I didn’t explain any thing more here ,,, just tell me when you have any question .

See ya .

OK..I have read through.
It sounds to me like another person is commenting on whats in the bible.
Its sounds to me the writter is giving comments to a...story he heard.
All the events listed above were in great detail in the Holy Bible wheras the Quran simply glazed through the much longer story and made it much much shorter.
I don't want to be rude but....I really don't see what was so divine about what was written.
More then half of whats above is basically this:
"God is Most high, listen to me orelse all hell shall break loose for you in the end."
And then it continues to say again the same thing. The only thing those passages teached me is that the ritter has a much different view to whats in the Bible.

Now Castellano, I have said this many many times....I will say it again for your benefit.
It seems like people simply ignore things I said.

Many many years back, near the coastline of the Deadsea. In a cave.
Archeologists found wax sealed clay jugs of anceint scrolls.
Upon discovery, they realised that its parts of the Holy Bible and some other historical events that was linked to the time when Jesus came to Earth. By doing simple carbon dating (which is actually very accurate if the timing is within thousands of years) , they realized that the scrolls back dated to almost 2000 +- years ago.
And when it was compared to the Hebrews Torah and Jesus's New testaments, they were concluded that they are identical.
Now, the word word "Identical" means....its the same. Not same as in the material, but same as in what was written inside so much so that it was said to be "word for word" accuracy.
The Holy Bible we have today is the "identical" copy of what was discovered by the DeadSea. And there are many many more scientific proves and theories that the Bible could not have been tempered with.

Now, unless you can pull out some widely accepted "PROVES" of the Holy Bible being inaccurate or changed, you will just have to take my word that it has not been changed.

2000 over years ago , hundred thousands of people have documented the events that happened around Jesus cannot be tempered with. It was constantly watched. I don;'t know if you are aware but in the Christian community, there have always been "watchmen" that keep an eye on these things. They are people from every nations and tongues. And the people that has a copy of the bible knows where it came from.
And since when did the "Word of God" stops becoming the "word of God".

The Quran is right when it says that "it is not befitting that Allah should beget a son."
It says in the Bible:"In the beginning, there is the word, and the word was with God, and the word became flesh and lived among us."
The "Word" is Jesus. He is not beget, He is begotten. Before Moses was, He IS. Before heaven and earth was, He Is. He was not made, He has always been there. He is the Alpha and the Omega. He and the Father are one.

Ask you a question.
Is it possible for Harry Potter to meet up with JK Rowling?
The answer is "Not possible" because Harry Potter is fiction and JK Rowling is real.
BUT..
it is very possible for JK Rowling to meet Harry Potter. Being the arthur of Harry Potter, JK Rowling can simply "write" herself into the story.
The same goes for us. It is impossible for God to bring us up to GOD level so that He can talk to us, but for Him to bring Himself down to human level inorder to talk to us.
You cannot expect a chicken to understand human speech and action. But a human CAN learn the actions and possibly the speeches of a chicken. In other words, bring yourself down to chicken level inorder to talk to chicken.
Even when Moses speaks to God, even when he was face to face with God, He was unable to "see" God because of th immense glory emanating from God.

PEACE

hi Abs ,,, As i told from the begining ,,, am not a specialist in islamic studies ,,and i dont think that we have one in these forums here , and comparing between the two religions needs someone who has studies both of them . i have heard enough to make me believe in my religion and all what it says , of course its your right - which i consider healthy - to know also ,, but you need the right source who can provide you with the answers , i think i have given you some links before to Ahmad Deedat ,,, he is the most proffesional person in this field regarding comparing the two religions ,, and i told you that he has many debates with many bishops and monks .

about the commenting thing : well,, those are not comments ,,, i understand that you still hinting to that they are the same in the Bible ...etc. and i repeat that they are from the same source ,,, of course they will speak about the same things ,,coz god has never changed his call to people to worship him .

now for Holy Quran ,,, those stories given in Quraan ,,they are never mentioned in details - as you require - coz the point is to get a lesson , the aim was never writing the history, what will not serve us in our belief or our mission - which is worshiping God- ,,, then no need to know it . i dont meant not to research ,, coz those stories are there in islamic books ,,but those are quoted by the Prophet pbuh, when poeple at his times used to ask him ,,, now ,,,, if you have noticed there was a verse among the ones i sent to you which spoke about that God has told his prophet about some prophets and ancient nations ,, and he didnt say about some others ,,, so ,, the point is not just telling stories with everydetail ,,, i know that history is important to understand things - you will tell me so !!! - but for Quraan ,, the main thing was to draw the attention to the fact that : believing in God as the only God , is the right way . and that is why you will find that the Quraan is mentioning tooooooo much about : this is the way you have to follow ,, if you do you will get the heveans ,,if not you will go to hell. but not as we say it this way ,,, i mean Quraan has a magnificiant way in describing this or to make it reach to the heart and mind.


now ,,, i want to make it clear here ,,my purpose here is not showing up that : hey people !!! look i beated abs or whoever in the discussion ,, no way ,, this has never been my purpose ,,, but as God has told us ,, its just to show what is there in the Quraan ,,, who wants to take it ,,that is fine ,, who doesnt ,,then its his disission ,,, no obligation at all .

now .. if you really want to know better about islam ,, and the true explanation of things you should turn to the specilaists in this field ,,,, and if you dont try to get what they have - sorry to say it - you are not trying to know ,,, i dont know what i call it .

you can check on : Ahmad Deedat and Yousuf Hamza ,,,

Yousuf Hamza is american originally ,,he converted to Islam when he was 16 years old ,, and now he is one of the most famous invitors to Islam,, he is extrimly good in arabic which he spent few years in learning it . i think he is the person who you can get benifits from .

peace bro.

Heya Cast.
Now don't think of me as the rest, I welcome challenges because I believe through a healthy debate of certain issues, things become clearer.
So I never thought of you trying to out do me in a discussion. Infact, I pray for it. Just like you, I am not here to show everybody else I am smarter then thou or Holier then thou.
My principle of things is :" Challenge every doubt,ask every question"
If people don't ask questions but simply accept what other people says, then they are just being gullible. You have to look into things and then ask some very serious and sensitive questions.
When I first read the bible, and came across the line when Jesus said:
"I am the way, the light and the truth. Nobody goes to the Father but through me."
I asked myself: "Who the hell does He think He is?"
Later on I discovered that He claims that He is the Son of God and in that statement claims that He is God.
So the first thing that came to my mind is this:
He is either really God, Or He is just one crazy mad man.
I have never stopped asking. And I will never stop questioning my own Bible until every shred of doubt is gone.
So, to me, somebody saying something and was written down in ancient scriptures don't mean peanuts to me. You HAVE to have prove!
You cannot claim you are the son of God without providing prove, JESUS!
That was my initial argument.
So right down to its core, 2 questions stands out.
Is He really God
Is just a mad man.

Find prove.
The best prove will be from history books that is scientifically proven to be correct and that every other events that happens to have a link with it MUST be 100% relevant.

And it is really funny when we all believe in God but then say we are not speciallist in this topic. WE MUST BE atleast be into the topic and actually do research. I don't know about you but I simply cannot accept anything that does not stand up to the challenge of time science and history. It just does not make sense to simply bow down to it.
Religion without science is blind.
Science without God is meaningless.

Am I sounding too hot headed again?.....
I think I am. Sorry.
I just get so energize in this topic.

So what am I saying here is this:
How does Jesus and Mohammad stand against the test of time ,science and history?
Because obviously this is the only 2 figure in all of human history that truely make a difference.

And the difference is heaven and hell decision.

Because, if Mohammad is right. Then Jesus is a liar and all Christians will end up in hell and be tortured for eternity.

If Jesus is right, then Mohammad is misled and all Muslims will be in the pits of hell roasting for eternity.

I believe these are questions that should be on top of every God fearing men. Don't you agree?

Lets just say tomorrow is the end.
When you wake up tomorrow morning.
You start your daily routine to get ready for work, but you notice this weird glow outside your window. You pull aside the curtains and BEHOLD.
You see a man riding on a white horse in the sky. He is floating mid air. Behind Him follows and entire army of glowing angels.
The Man riding the white horse opens His mouth and says:
"Behold, I am the Alpha and the omega."
His voice booms across the seven seas like a nuclear explosion.
You will ask yourself: " He is finally here......so ...am I going to Heaven and have eternal happiness? OR am I going to be thrown into hell and suffer for all eternity?

Don't you want to be sure you were following the right path?
Do know this. According to the Quran and the Bible, you will not see Muslims and Christians in Heaven together.

Peace and God Bless

Jesus did die on the cross, I saw the movie

hi abs ...

hey man you misunderstood me here ,,i was not saying that i am not energized to discuss the things ,,, and i agree with you that we should always ask and know ...i said this in another thread ,,even me myself , once i asked myself why am i a muslim ???is it just coz my parents are ??? but started thinking and thinking and the most thing asking and researching . till i found that it was totally right .

now ,,for your questions ,, you are always answering the same way ,,i mean ,, you always give me some examples from the Bible that Jesus is th begotten son of God ,, and i told you before ,,,i dont discuss this with christians coz its the root of their belief .... if you remember ,,i just offer what Quraan has of truth ,,, that is all .

you are insisting about that the Bible is not deformed ,, well,, i repeat what i told you before ,, Jews deformed it from the begining ,,, from the very begining ,, according to islam ,, when Jesus was raised ,,, they started deforming the bible and the religion ,,,

now ,,, the reason i post suras from Quraan is that you asked for it .

i know you will find it it no devine for you ,, i mean this is funny to mention it man ,, you are christian ,,and very much one as i can see.

for the sentece you mentioned :"I am the way, the light and the truth. Nobody goes to the Father but through me."

well,,, i can see that the general concept of it goes with Islam .,,, for this for example : it was enough for Jews to replace the word God with the the word : the father . if you will write it again , it will become like this : :"I am the way, the light and the truth. Nobody goes to God but through me."

and this way its totally true ,,,not only that ,,, its soooooo islamic statment aslo !!!!!!!! coz at that time Jesus was the chosen to show the way to God . now he is still a way ,,and so is Muhammad pbuh, and Moses ,and Uzair and all the messenger .

Jesus and Muhammad - peace be upon both of them - are in the same category ,,, no one is liar no one is against the other . they both invited to worship the only and absolute God . this is the differece between Muslims belief and christains ,,, i mean we are not against Jesus ,, we are just against the way that his invitation to worship God ,,was deformed ,, and i think this can be a point of start . but Christians are blowing it up by saying if muhammad is right then Jesus is liar ,,and if Jesus is right then muhammad is just a man who came up with something .

in a word : Muslims believes in Jesus ,,, christians dont believe in Muhammad . now ,,here will be the whole misuderstanding in comparing comes . i mean i am not asking you to blieve in the prophet pbuh ,and after that come and duscuss me , but , you are standing at a point where it will only grow contraversial ,,my word against yours !!!!!! what is in the bible against what in the quraan .!!!!!!! this usually leads you no where . that is why i told you when we reach this point to ask specialist ,,its not a point of weakness from my side ,,i didnt mean this by my last post .

again notice that you are only refering to same point ,which says : Jesus is the begotten son of god . and my reply to you he is not , he is just his messenger . would this lead us anywhere here ???? if you will be taking this point and just and try to convince others that the bible is right through it .. well execuse me here .... it will not work ,, you take the Quraan as a whole ,and the bible as a whole ... when we reach this point , you will need a person who has studied the bible ,, and of course who is a muslim and knows everything about the Quraan ....

its just what is happening here coz you dont know the Quraan in terms of what is in there .... you just keep saying what the bible say , without the knowlege of Quraan ,,, ok ,, you want to have the knowlege of Quraan ,, i told you to get it from a person who is better than me in this ,,,, mabye the best in our time .... those two persons ,,, and the reason why i recommended Yousuf Hamza ,,is that he was christian ,, this is why i believe he will be the most usefull one for you here . he knows christians best , he knows what is in the bible , now he is a muslim and a great one ,, and he knows the Quraan ... come on man ,, try to contact him .
i wish i made it clearer here .

ok ,, now for the science thing ,,, where can you find science in the bible ,i mean science with all the meaning of the word . Quraan has it ,, i mean i said before that you can find Quraan speaking about scientific situations ,,which with no dout was not reachable at that time by human ,,i mean they had no means to know it ,,,, they only discovered it recently ,,,, this a kind of point of discussion ,, i mean ,,if Quraan has spoken about something in the outer Space ,,, 14000 years ago ,,,, and science just prooved it recelntly ,,,, doesnt that lead to a fact that Quraan is totally true ?? and there is no way that Muhammad pbuh has written it nor has invented that . well if you dont agree with with this ,,allow me to say ,,, that this discussion will be useless ,,, ,,i mean ,,if you see - as you said - that we need science to lead us here , then here is a point to start .

Yousuf Hamza
Ok. Got it. I will look for him.

Thanks, and please don't be upset....I try to tone it down...so sorry.

Meanwhile , back to your science question.

Quraan has it ,, i mean i said before that you can find Quraan speaking about scientific situations ,,which with no dout was not reachable at that time by human ,,i mean they had no means to know it ,,,, they only discovered it recently ,,,, this a kind of point of discussion ,, i mean ,,if Quraan has spoken about something in the outer Space ,,, 14000 years ago ,,,, and science just prooved it recelntly ,,,, doesnt that lead to a fact that Quraan is totally true

Like what? Can you please elaborate on the facts that you are talking about? Much appreciated.

I would really like to know about that 14000 year thing you were talking about.

As for science in the bible...its everywhere.
Starting from Chapter 1 - Genesis.
Page one alone describes how the universe was made.

1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1] (*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.)


The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.


Jeremiah 31:35,36
Thus says the LORD,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The LORD of hosts is His name):
“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the LORD,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”

The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.


Job 26:7
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.


The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.


Ecclesiastes 1:6
The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.


The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.


Job 28:25
To establish a weight for the wind,
And apportion the waters by measure.
The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.[1] (If you are a physics enthusiast, please ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this comment.)

The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value of blood.


Leviticus 17:11
‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.[1]

The Bible describes biogenesis (the development of living organisms from other living organisms) and the stability of each kind of living organism.


Genesis 1:11,12
Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.


Genesis 1:21
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.


Genesis 1:25
And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
The phrase “according to its kind” occurs repeatedly, stressing the reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know this occurs because all of these reproductive systems are programmed by their genetic codes.

The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.


Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.


It is a proven fact that a person’s mental and spiritual health is strongly correlated with physical health.[1] The Bible revealed this to us with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC

We have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited caves. The Bible also describes cave men.

Anthropology
Job 30:5,6
They were driven out from among men,
They shouted at them as at a thief.
They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,
In caves of the earth and the rocks.
Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and spiritually.[1] (Go into a bad part of your town and you will see this concept in action today.)

The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle.[3]


Psalm 135:7
He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
He makes lightning for the rain;
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.


Jeremiah 10:13
When He utters His voice,
There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
“And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
He makes lightning for the rain,
He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”
In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle—the worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation.

Job 36:27-29
For He draws up drops of water,
Which distill as rain from the mist,
Which the clouds drop down
And pour abundantly on man.
Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
The thunder from His canopy?
This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into drops large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.[1]

The Bible describes the recirculation of water.


Ecclesiastes 1:7
All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again.


Isaiah 55:10
For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,

The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.

Job 26:8
He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
Yet the clouds are not broken under it.


Job 37:11
Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds;
He scatters His bright clouds.

The Bible suggests the presence of nuclear processes like those we associate with nuclear weaponry. This is certainly not something that could have been explained in 67 AD using known scientific principles (when Peter wrote the following verse).


2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

The television is a practical (if not always worthwhile ) device that uses electromagnetic waves (which transmit its video signal). The Bible contains passages that describe something like television—something that allows everyone on earth see a single event. (Note: such passages typically refer to the end of time. It may not be long before all of us learn for sure whether the Bible is true or not.)

Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Revelation 11:9-11
Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
(This one is talking about the return of Moses and Elijah when the anti-Christ is in power)


And if you will be so kind to also read this:
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

Rebutting what you said about how the Jews had changed the bible.
The only reason for them to do that (IF) is to destroy the followers of Jesus (since they were the ones that killed Him). By changing stories here and there to destroy the divine status of Jesus to be nothing more then a prophet. So if they have successfully altered the scriptures, they would have wiped out Christianity before 199A.D.
But Christians exists today, believing that Jesus is the Son of God means that the bible was protected by the Holy Spirit from human alteration of the Word of God.
Things don;t just IS because someone said it is.
The disciples of Jesus were willing to die a painful death for that cause.

Anyway, go to that website I gave you. Its quite a nice read on arguments on the authenticity of the Holy Bible.

Cheers
Peace and God Bless.