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I'm also making my point quite simply. Let me make it more point blankly - all the honour killings in the USA and Canada go against the teachings of Islam. This is clear from any Muslim cleric in the USA and Canada who has spoken on the subject. The fact that it is a cultural problem doesn't excuse ...

shafique

Incredible scenes.

From the same page - some guys steal from a kid that's hurt:

shafique

Obviously your reading is as bad as your writing. ... BTW, I have a friend who knew you Herve, read your book, and cleared up a few "facts" about you and your book. He didn't paint a pretty picture of you Herve. I know, I know, he's lying, but the fact is he's not a local and has absolute...

shafique

The tv footage of the riots in the Midlands etc seem to contain quite a number of white faces amongst the looters and rioters. Indeed, as posted in another thread - the picture in the OP comes from the Daily Mail, and on the same web page it has footage of a white dude robbing an injured kid. http:/...

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I wasn't aware that I had started any threads on, or commented on stats concerning attacks on religous institutions - in Iraq or elsewhere. This thread is about published polls on the proportions of different faiths that justify the targetting and killing of civilians. Muslims in different countries...

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@BM - Nope, but it is from the same page as the picture in the OP, but a white dude robbing an injured teenager doesn't help the spin, does it? ;) And it must frustrate you so much that the Mooslims aren't being blamed so far. :D RC - I said I'd be interested in seeing the stats, if I had them I'd p...

shafique

Good to have you thinking.

Anything to say on this topic though - reminder it is about polls showing that Muslims are less likely to justify the targetting and killings of civilians. (And I guess, that does apply to Iraq, Mumbai and Norway)

Cheers,
Shafique

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^Ah, thanks for the clarification benwj - Muslims target humans and not property and looting. Good to know - I'll file that away for 'useful excuses for violence not committed by Muslims'. :D As for the other observations of the class structure etc - I largely agree, the lower social classes are to ...

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:D He's so transparent. I wonder where all the Hindu, Sikh etc honour killings feature in his loony list? ;) But the young lad is overlooking a simple point - there is no justification in Islam for honour killings. Even Guru Bob hasn't managed to overturn the clear pronouncements of clerics on the i...

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Sorry, I thought I'd made it clear that the polls are factual - not the stuff you usually make up. Unlike the loon websites which make up stats, these survey results are real. Percentage of people who said it is sometimes justifiable to target and kill civilians : Mormon-Americans 64% Christian-Amer...

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^eh is clearly on the ropes. He and BM started off in the Tottenham Riots thread convinced that it was all the fault of blacks - 'calling a spade a spade' indeed! Now they are itching for a 'let's blame it on the Muslims angle'. LOL I wonder what right-wing theory they are cooking up now that their ...

shafique

LOL - why are loons allergic to facts? Young eh is the first one to quote extracts of surveys which he copies from loon websites, but when presented with the full picture, suddenly there's a lot of sour grapes. Note that no attempt has been made to show that the polls aren't factual - just some hot ...

shafique

Absolutely no justification for honour killings in any religion. It is a cultural phenomenon that is wrapped up in religion and honour in a number of different cultures - happens amongst Hindus, Sikhs and indeed in Latin America. Yes, there are indeed some Muslims who carry out these crimes - from ...

shafique

Three British Muslims were killed in Birmingham, run down as they were protecting the community. Peaceful vigils were held in their honour. The dignity of the vigil was in stark contrast with the riots. It also turns out that the injured person being robbed by those 'helping him' is a Malaysian stud...

shafique

^Careful, your frustration is showing.

Why do loons get agitated when facts are presented. In this case, Muslims hold peaceful vigil and this is covered by the media. No wonder the loons are furious.

Cheers,
Shafique

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:D Did I hit a nerve? Anyway - let's agree that the three Brits that died and the reaction in the vigil showed the good side of British people - protecting property and protesting with dignity. I read of other reports of Sikhs and Muslims protecting each others' places of worship over the past few n...

shafique

^This is what AP reported happened (in answer to your question what were they doing). I think it is harsh to blame the victims in this case.: BIRMINGHAM, England (AP) — With police nowhere to be seen, the Muslims of Dudley Road armed themselves with bricks and stones, clubs and cricket bats to fend ...

shafique

LOL - 10/10 for persistency eh. However, the polls' results are startling. 58% of your fellow Christian Americans justify killing of civlians under some circumstances - and in all other instances Muslims poll lower. The Muslim Americans were asked the same question in the same poll. Which particular...

shafique

Easy. Honour killings are not universal in the Muslim world. The Hindus and Sikhs are carrying out honour killings for the same reasons their Muslim neighbours are - the cultural background. What is universal in the Muslim world (and Hindu and Sikh etc) is that the religion categorically condemns th...

shafique

I asked you first. What question is offending you?

The 58% response of your fellow Christians is pretty high. Do you want to address that first?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

:roll: I couldn't see where you the simple fact that Hindus and Sikhs (etc) also carry out honour killings. Do you consider them to be Muslim? Repeating what Guru Bob tells you also doesn't change the simple fact that Islam or Islamic clerics do not condone the murder of women, and explicitly condem...

shafique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onk5fm1J7Ig

As pointed out, ad nauseum, not all Brits are racist.

Cheers,
Shafique

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A true and noble Brit speaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ1VjUSKevc And interestingly, on Dateline London on the BBC they made the point that those arrested for the rioting were NOT from one racial group or even age group - and indeed not all were of the lower classes either. The facts are ther...

shafique

Enough with the smoke and mirrors eh. Islam and Islamic clerics condemn honour killings explicitly. Fact. Hindus and Sikhs etc also carry out honour killing - therefore it is NOT an exclusive Muslim problem. Fact. I challenge you to produce a direct quote from an Islamic cleric that says honour kill...

shafique

Here's Tariq explaining what happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJv92ZXVQjs

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

^So tell us caps - why do Hindus and Sikhs carry out honour killings?

(We'll over look the fact you've failed to do your research about honour killings in the West.. Google not working where you are?)

Cheers,
Shafique

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^eh, the challenge was quite simple. A direct quote from an Islamic Cleric which says honour killings are ok. You've failed so far. Secondly, address the point that Hindus and Sikhs also carry out honour killings - and reconcile that with your belief that it is a Muslim problem. Failing there too, y...

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^Fail. :roll: Nothing in that AFP article states an Islamic authority saying honour killing is ok. Indeed it says that even when used as a defence (under Jordanian law), the perpetrator is jailed. Sigh. Learn to read caps. Perhaps eh will have better luck explaining his fantasy beliefs. Cheers, Shaf...

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^Caps, really, stop embarrassing yourself. The story was about Pres Abbas saying he was going to abolish this defence within the judicial system due to the public outcry. It showed the general abhorence of these crimes within Palestinian society. So thanks for pointing it out. I repeat: Show where a...

shafique

^Well, the Quran and God's commandments are quite clear about what happens - "There is no compulsion in religion'" - i.e. the 18 year old woman makes her choice when it comes to religion. Now, what happens in practice will depend on what cultural norms are and what the parents' views are. ...

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