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I would certainly join you in condemning any move to get all Canadian school children to read Quranic prayers, or to have Qurans distributed to all. This would be the equivalent of the ban on Christian prayer and Bible distribution. I would similarly NOT object to any school allowing Christian child...

shafique

So, let's summarise. Some posters just hate Islam and Muslims. We can laugh at these guys - nothing to debate there. (You know who you are). Others believe that the School is violating the separation of Church and State when it allows a collective prayer and sermon for Muslims to take place in a sch...

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You seem to be supporting special treatment for Muslims which is not afforded to other religious groups. Nope - see other thread. I would similarly support 40min a week at lunch time for any other group to hold whatever prayer service they want to hold. My distinction is that if it is elective and ...

shafique

So having multiple religions holding religious services during school hours on public school premises is not infringing on the rule of separation of religion and state? Now, what did I say about 'mountains and molehills'. :D We are talking about 40 min at lunch time, once a week for an activity whi...

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Is there a real benefit for Christians to pray on Sundays? That's one for the Christians to answer. The Friday prayer for Muslims is important - the sermon actually forms part of the collective worship. On other days you do 4 'rakaats' (series of movements and prayers) in the mid-day prayer. For Fr...

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I don't understand why fanatastical scenarios have to be resorted to - could it be because we're only talking about some school children taking 40 min once a week at Friday lunch time to worship God? I thought my analogy of an elective ballet class was stretching things a bit - but to impose a loon ...

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kanelli - thanks for the detailed post explaining your argument. I understand it. You view a religious service during school time to be a violation of the separation of Church and State, and don't agree with me that the fact it is elective and only for those of that faith makes it ok and not a viola...

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Well, at least we are now clear that we disagree on a principle - I would not object to hindus doing devotional yoga during lunch time, as long as it was elective. As stated in the other thread, I understand the separation of church and state argument, I just view a 40 min collective prayer on a Fri...

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Bora - I assure it isn't a wind up. I summarised my view and where I differ with kanelli (and presumably your view) on the specific point whether the 40 min period on Friday where Muslim school kids worship violates the principle of separation of Church and State. My simple point is that it does not...

shafique

:shock: :D No - I'm assuming that those opposing what the school has done will be pursuing this via legal/government channels. The protestations seem to resolve around whether it violates government regulations or not. Someone in authority will rule, I'm assuming. I.e. let the lawyers decide on the ...

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Talking about cartoon bad guys, I wonder whether Darstardly is Jewish too... hmmm - maybe we should ask our resident frenchman, herve!

shafique

^Can't argue with that. Men have indeed used religion to put down women - this conference is a good case in point!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Sometimes I wonder whether anyone really believes much of the far-out excuses that comes out of Israeli politicians - surely, I think, even most Israelis must roll their eyes at the double-talk. I'm glad to see that I'm not alone. .. A few examples to show to what extent the current coalition is bas...

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Here's what the Toronto District School Board has to say on this: "While the TDSB is part of a secular public school system, we exist within a broader context of law and public policy that protects and defends human rights. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects freedom of religio...

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kanelli - I'm glad that we've managed to get to the point where we understand each other's opinion. I don't consider you an Islamophobe for your views, and I don't think you'd call me (or the school board) 'Taliban' or an 'stealth jihadist' for our views. At least the school board has mentioned that...

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Expect much more of this type of spin in the run up to the UN bid to recognise Palestine as a sovereign country. Fanbois are confused at the moment - whether to dismiss the UN move as 'irrelevant' or actively try to fight it and persuade countries to not vote in favour (if it was irrelevant, why lob...

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herve never disappoints!!

So, you don't agree with Antoine Buéno - the Frence academic - that the Schtroumpfs are anti-semitic... but you do believe that the Mooslims are anti-semitic when they dress like smurfs!!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Welcome back - and best wishes and a speedy recovery from me too!

Cheers,
Shafique

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^ who knows. Loons who post here have shared their fantasies about Moooslims in the past, so who knows what you guys fantasise about. One young bible-basher has posted a topless photos of a Moooslim man and started threads about Afghan dancing boys... so I guess fantasising about Mooslims dressing a...

shafique

^Short answer: No.

Longer, more categoric, answer:
philosophy-dubai/questions-for-shaf-for-the-record-t46569.html#p378897

But... I do like the colour blue and have fond memories of the Smurfs...

Cheers,
Shafique

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herve, are you blaming Muslims for the exclusion of women from this conference? Wow (I'd be ashamed of such a blatant 'what-about-ery' argument). ;) Or are you arguing (like kanelli) that Jews also use religion to discriminate against women? (Don't be shy, I also agreed with her on this point). BTW ...

shafique

^The guy is French... can't blame me for that.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Thanks Bora - it is interesting to see the two different points of view. The school board says the religious freedom act takes precedence in law, so there's a legal case to be made (one way or the other). Interesting that it is not only one school that allows the service over lunch time - and that t...

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Bora Bora - I agree, treat all the same - if you make allowances for one group, by all means make allowances for all. Canadian school kids are just like any other school kids I guess - give them an opportunity to cut school and many won't be able to resist the temptation. But that's not the point he...

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DDS - I stated in my first post that I too thought this was being blown out of proportion - 'mountains and molehills'. It transpires that there are at least 6 other schools in Canada that allow Friday prayers and that the Toronto school board has clearly thought this through and presents their argum...

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Mountains and Molehills. Why are you against Jedi Knights practicing for 40 min over lunchtime? Barbara is quite clear what the Human Rights code says. Pretty strong stuff. Raheel's first analogy is wrong - Christians asking for the Lord's Prayer in class (for all) is not the same as giving Children...

shafique

The women have a point - the women did pray in the same mosque as the men in the Prophet's time indeed. They were (ironically) arranged exactly as in the photo below.. http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/83/af/3a320c7c45a4b56ebde1d75caf67.jpeg women behind the men, in the same hall. I've heard o...

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Unless I missed it, did the video ever mention the Israeli Military Occupation of Palestine from 1967 onwards?

Hmm?

Spin, smoke, mirrors - but it won't hide the fact that it is the Israeli Military Occupation that is the problem, not fantasies about conspiracy theories.

Cheers
Shafique

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She also uses the word "accommodating" in a very broad sense - across the board without highlighting the school situation. Well, the Human Right's Code talks about 'accommodating' - and in my opinion, providing 40 min period during Friday lunchtime does fit within the meaning of 'accommod...

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