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If someone doesn't agree with me, they just have a different opinion. When it comes to issues that can be verified with stats, and I'm presented with stats that back up their view - I look at the stats and critique the stats. In this case, the number of 'honor killings' in the USA is either above or...

shafique

You quote a blogger, I quote the Government stats. This isn't a contest to see who thinks their stats are more reliable - or am I missing something. Surely the onus is on the person presenting the evidence to back up that evidence. 5000 looks enormous when considering that the total numbers of murde...

shafique

You've got a short memory. Gadfly, eh, FD all were given the benefit of the doubt in first encounters.. But hey, why don't you practice what you preach - start a thread on an interesting topic about Islam that we can debate, and then see what the responses are (from myself as well). Cheers, Shafique

shafique

Fair enough - let's wait and see what the next available thread on Islam is and look at the responses.

This thread was about the similarities between Islamophobes and the KKK - we seem to have been distracted slightly.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Do you still believe that 5000 honour killings occur in America alone each year, even though in 2009 fewer than 130 non-white and non-black women were murdered in the whole USA (out of a total of 13,600 murders)? Daniel Pipes is a blogger. (oh, and your assumptions about what I know about the USA an...

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Edit: Bora - aren't we talking at crossed purposes here. The quote you gave only says Daniel Pipes said that there were 7 million muslims in the USA 'was high'. The quote of 5000 honor killings is from a 'J Grant Swank' - who's a Pastor as far as I can make out. The link to the article quoting Swank...

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But you were talking about Pipes being a published scholar weren't you? ( I thought you were ) This Swank fellow and his quote doesn't seem to be based on any stats that I can find - and the article doesn't seem to be on the news website any more either (I searched the site for various combinations)...

shafique

kanelli wrote: Learn to communicate clearly and support your stats with a reference.

Sound advice.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

It is interesting to note that the Golan Heights also fall outside the '1967 borders' and have been illegally annexed by Israel. Not much is mentioned about this Syrian territory in the statements by Obama, Netanyahu etc. That will be an interesting part to watch. The rhetoric that Golan needs to be...

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^Well, we seem to have reached a point of consensus. The solution is going to be based on the '1967 borders' with some land swaps, and a full right of return of refugees is not going to happen - I believe that a symbolic limited number and compensation for the rest is the solution that everyone is h...

shafique

I won't mention my oft-cited line about a certain group of people here and their fraught relation to statistics (largely imagined).

Please continue.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

A simple point of debate. There's no secret that the Bible contains some pretty horrific descriptions of violence - genocide, enslavement of virgins, slaughtering of all living things etc. Now, some Christians argue that the Old Testament descriptions of violence were abrogated by the New Testament ...

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Mahmoud - I agree, both Bible and Quran can be misused in the same way. The comparison though is simply pointing out the fact that the Bible has quantitatively and qualitatively more violence than the Quran. The question really is to those who believe that Islam is inherently violent, but don't appl...

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^Isn't also just a simple case of : "There is anti-semitism because there are anti-semites out there, and there is Islamophobia because there are Islamophobes out there." Anti-semitism and Islamophobia are well defined, so it is easy to identify Islamophobes and Anti-semites. As eh once co...

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Mahmoud - please let me clarify. Stating that the Bible contains violent verses which talk about genocide etc is not the same as criticising Christians or Christianity, or Jews or Judaism. I was rather posing the question to those who believe that Islam is a violent religion - and asking whether the...

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Mahmoud - the title does reflect the subject matter. I'm arguing that it is wrong to consider Judaism (or Christianity) violent religions DESPITE the fact that the Bible contains more violent verses than the Quran. Given I believe Jesus to be a Prophet of God and that the Bible contains the words of...

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Amen!

shafique

I liked this comment:

Secret Service guys: "Hey, this car is huge. Tell the black guy inside to get down and push too..."

shafique

:mrgreen: You've got to love this guy for sheer chutzpah: The evangelical broadcaster who left followers crestfallen by his failed prediction that last Saturday would be Judgement Day says he miscalculated. Harold Camping said it had "dawned" on him that God would spare humanity "hell...

shafique

I'm for the two state solution myself. Ideally, either a full democracy or one that is like in Lebanon - where each religious group is given a guaranteed representation is probably the most 'just' or 'logical' solution. But facts on the ground means that it is now unimaginable for there not to be an...

shafique

^It's actually quite funny to read only one side of the discussion (especially when they don't quote the 'one who must not be named' :) ) - but I agree with kanelli. You guys advised me to stop troll baiting, perhaps we should advise you to stop [insert appropriate label] baiting. :) Are the 'hidden...

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I will never learn :roll:. I thought I would unhide your comment eh, just in case you had made a pertinent comment. Alas, usual ramblings which have nothing to do with the thread's subject matter - viz. the violent verses of the Bible and the central argument that just like it is not right to consid...

shafique

Astonishingly, some people would consider this Jewish MP (whose grandmother died in the Holocaust) as an anti-Semite for pointing out the crimes of Israel and rightly pointing out the similarity between Israeli military crimes and Nazi crimes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

shafique

Whoosh.

[DK - that was naughty! But I still laughed]

BB - sorry, I thought the source of the comment would have been obvious in the context. I'll be more precise in future.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Babism and Bahaism have always had a strained relationship with the Iranian authorities. Bab was executed by firing squad, and Bahais were always accused of being insurgents working for 'foreign powers'. This wasn't helped by the fact that Bab's teachings were indeed violent and they did indeed take...

shafique

Agreed - quite sad.

Ghadafi remaining stubbornly in power shows the limitation of the Arab Spring and unfortunately gives a bad example. Not to mention the other Arab dictatorships in the region - Kuwait, Saudi, Bahrain etc.

Power corrupts..

Cheers,
Shafique

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Obligatory re-mix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5lsbp7YmHI-- Thu May 26, 2011 6:39 am --On a more serious note, here's what Haaretz has to say about the 'facts and fiction' in the speech (excerpt below): Here is some of what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Congress on Tuesday - and what he...

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:roll: Yet another case of missing the wood for the trees. For centuries the Christian church also banned interest and usury. With good reason. Islamic banking and finance is based on some simple principles that can easily be looked up. Had the financial system just 4 years ago been based on these p...

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Islamic banks shouldn't charge interest - as that is forbidden. Bankers trying to get round regulations is hardly news or even new. Next you'll be revealing that lawyers lie and Guru Bob constructs fantasies about Islam. (all facts that are self-evident). IF some banks try to bend the rules, the reg...

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DD - I agree with your overall sentiment - the Arab regimes and people have been power for long enough that they should just get over the historical meddling that took place. Most have, I'd argue - just look at the Arab spring. However, the example of Gaza is one that I'd disagree with you in part -...

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