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:roll: Please re-read the last sentence of my post above. Army cadets are exactly kids - kids dressing up as soldiers. [Just consult a dictionary for the meaning of kid: : a young person; especially : child —often used as a generalized reference to one especially younger or less experienced <the kid...

shafique

Sigh, what is it with Islamophobes and their inability to provide references? :roll: The wiki link doesn't give us the figures that the blogger used for his graph - please give us the figures so we can check that they chart does reflect Palestinians killed since 1948. So, how many Palestinians have ...

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So, what are the actual numbers and where did the blogger get them from? Islamphobes like you have a bad habit of inventing stats and quotes - you've been caught out at least once inventing statistics on this forum. (Just to be clear, you're not an Islamophobe because you make up stats, your Islamop...

shafique

As graphics about the Israeli Military Occupation of Palestine go, this one is most telling

Now, let's see if FD ever provides the figures and references requested.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

^Excellent news BM - a 75% charge rate is a good start.

Let's hope the convictions (and evidence) are just as good.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

What are the numbers and where do they come from? I'm really not that interested in your opinion (or Elder's for that matter) - just don't present a graph and just expect people to be impressed because it looks pretty. Show us the data. Please don't guess, give us the numbers. (I suspect that Elder ...

shafique

Shame that. As the video in Afghans for Peace thread showed, things aren't going well over there. Back when the Taliban were in power (and the US were courting them and trying to persuade them to allow a gas pipeline to be built), in 2001* - the UN reported : JALALABAD, Afghanistan (February 15, 200...

shafique

Thanks - that's a start.

But aren't you just guessing what stats Elder used for his graph? Why don't you get the actual numbers he used and the reference?

Does he use a figure of 50,000 for the number of Palestinians killed by Israel?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Well even if the pie chart in the OP is true, although highly mislabled, what is the point ? Its comparing all the deaths in dozens of Arab countries due to different conflicts and wars vs a tiny piece of land with a very small population ? Its not even a valid comparison. I agree - but let's just ...

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What reading problem? Please provide the figures underlying the Graph - not your speculation about the numbers. Data, not speculation, please. You give the Lebanon Civil war as an example of Arab killing Arabs - and yet the link you gave has information about the 10s of thousands killed by Israel. I...

shafique

Now, B'tselem does provide official statistics for Palestinians and Israelis killed in recent decades. http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Index.asp Palestinians killed by Israeli Military since 1987 = 7,686 of which 1594 were children. One in five (20.7%) of those killed by the Israeli milita...

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And we still wait to read the actual numbers and source for those numbers in the original pie chart. It is truly amazing how quickly a smoke and mirrors attempt can be made to vanish by simply asking for evidence! (FD is reverting to type and blaming the victims when presented with numbers of childr...

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It's clearly an attempt at a smokescreen, 'what about-ery' defence. 50,000 Palestinians killed according to FD's estimate is trying to be minimised (at best) or excused (at worst). Indeed, the fact FD blames the victims when the body count of children killed by the Israeli military shows up the fact...

shafique

This piece from Haaretz today details the apartheid laws of Israel in some detail and says clearly that as in South Africa, well-meaning Israelis should oppose these laws. There's no need to hype this damning article - it makes the comparison with South African Apartheid explicitly (and therefore ba...

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What aparthied ? What are you talking about ! All Arabs are terroists bent to wiping Israel off the map. Israel is only defending itself against these blood lusty heathens. How dare you call this form of self defence as Aparthied !!! Shame on you shaf ! :oops: Hey, don't shoot the messenger - I'm j...

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^FD has a point though - we should indeed be concerned about other injustices that are being carried out (current and historic). Unfortunately the strawman he's unsuccessfully trying to build is that those opposed to Israel's injustices (eg stealing land and killing tens of thousands, including thou...

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Strawman. The Israeli Military Occupation has lasted over 60 years and has caused misery to generations - both within historic Palestine and neighbouring countries - Lebanon was subject to two wars, Syria still has land occupied and Israel has bombed at least two other countries and murdered others ...

shafique

The Israeli Military Occupation has lasted over 60 years. You can't spin this fact - a military occupation is a military occupation. Israel has illegally stolen land - see UN resolution 478 which categorically states that Israel's unilateral re-naming of parts of the West Bank as 'Jerusalem' and the...

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Oops - 43 years vs over 60 years of Military occupation by Israel. Yes, guilty as charged for this numerical spoonerism. It is the Nakba that is over 60 years - the tragedy there being the refugees. My bad. Still, can't spin 43 years of Military Occupation as anything other than a Military Occupatio...

shafique

Perhaps eh can give us an update on this debate, now that Spencer seems to have resurfaced?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

^You really can't keep a straight face and argue that handing back the Egyptian land occupied in 1967 but holding on to the land in Palestine and Syria is complying with UN resolution 242?? Pretty much the first act by the Military Occupiers in 1967 was a war crime (under Geneva conventions) when th...

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You have some sympathy for a war crime? :shock: Having your home demolished and bannished from the area by the military occupier is a war crime. As for whether you think the war crime is justified - that is for you. We should look to see what the law says though - as there will always be people who ...

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Israel demolishes over 100 homes (which have kitchens, bathrooms and yes, toilets) in a war crime (against the Geneva conventions) and FD tries desperately to spin it that the Israelis 'removes toilets'. Shame. Three days after Israel seized the Old City during the Six Day War, on the evening of Jun...

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Flying Dutchman - I really can't believe you're now arguing that Israel's criminal actions in carrying out a war crime can somehow be excused by citing other war crimes!! :shock: We could argue that Hitler killed more Jews in the 20th century than any Palestinian or Arab - but you'd rightly point ou...

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^Well, one in 5 Americans do believe Obama is a Muslim. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/18/AR2010081806913.html Indeed, Bob Spencer (eh's guru) isn't sure he isn't: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/spencer-interview-is-obama-a-muslim.html And Bob's side-kick, Pam Geller...

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Islamophobia gone wild! A guy is guilty of looking Muslim and is taken off a Malta plane - and yet turns out to be a Christian. A lot of newspapers jumped the gun and are now having to eat humble pie - as the early reports were of a Muslim man 'apprehended' on a plane :shock: Even after it was revea...

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Hey, you started this thread with a graphic from a blogger and presented it as 'evidence' - and link it to the Israeli military occupation of Palestine. I ask for the actual numbers and we get obfuscation (smoke and mirrors). We get a lot of bluster and moaning, and yet in this thread the only perso...

shafique

Yes.

Are you?

Cheers,
Shafique

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So eh - are you among the one in five Americans who believe Obama is a Muslim? As for my views about terrorism and Islam - I've been pretty categoric about being in the majority who believe in the whole message of the Quran that clearly states that all forms of terrorism are a sin and against the te...

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