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Herve - please don't ignore the question I asked you about Goldstein, I really would like to know what your views are. As for the 0.4% this is from the Europoll official statistics. Here is what the 2009 report says on pg7 Islamist terrorism is still perceived as being the biggest threat worldwide, ...

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Of course I agree, any terrorist act must be condemned regardless of the religion of the perpetrator, catholic, jew or Muslim. How do you think this is different from my belief? The only difference is that France expelled 51 Imams for their sedicious and hatefull teaching, fifty one !!!!, not 2 or ...

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The only difference is that France expelled 51 Imams for their sedicious and hatefull teaching, fifty one !!!!, not 2 or 3, damn , how many priests were ever prosecuted or deported for the same, or may be for giving away free bibles, which constitutes a crime in Muslim countries. We dont have the s...

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Herve - you also haven't commented on the Europol report which says your perception is wrong. Did you read it? When you do, please explain whether you agree that the official stats do therefore support this view: Perception is not reality. Due to the right wing’s influence and propaganda, people mis...

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You're not arguing that the French authorities are all silly are you :roll: A lot of Americans would agree with you - many still refuse to rename their Freedom Fries! But seriously, let us know whether the 72 were suspended or not or whether this is yet another example of why it is silly to single o...

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Joe - you make some very good points. You obviously don't fit into the 'conspiracy nut' pigeon hole - and it now makes more sense to me now why so many people in the US and elsewhere are suspicious about the 'official line'. I guess I am firmly agnostic on this now (having moved from definitely beli...

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No, quite the opposite - it is silly to focus on hype when trying to do so.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Herve, please explain the discrepancy between your 54 from a few years ago, with France 24's report from January 2010: The Egyptian national was the 29th imam or Islamic preacher to have been deported from France since 2001, according to the interior ministry. http://www.france24.com/en/20100112-rad...

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I just looked at the dates of those documents...They date back 2006s.. I noticed that too Berrin - herve has got quite some answering to do! He asked about where the 0.4% statistic came from, and when I quoted the Europol source and the official conclusion to him, there was no response. It is worth...

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Hey, don't knock string theory - anything which talks about mulitple dimensions and vibrations get's my interest! ;) I think it is about time I roll out my favourite theory of creation that can't be disproved: "We were all created 5 minutes ago with ready-made memories." I've not met one p...

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^LOL (Note that our young 'scholar' doesn't dispute the canonisation of the Bible by the victors - who are, indeed, Pauline Christians. It is quite simple for people to look up what Arius believed and what the victors believed. It is only after Nicea that Arius' belief became a heresy, before then i...

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Well, if they do ban the good pastor, they will at least be consistent and be classing him with other US preachers that they have banned on the same grounds - such as Louis Farrakhan and non-US guys like Omar Bakhri. If I am not mistaken, there is a list of banned preachers that has been published b...

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I think it only fair that if questions are asked they aren't avoided. Whilst I'm still agnostic, I have to say - the fanbois are on the back foot at the moment - they have more questions about holes in their theory than the opposition do. Just my observation. I'm actually feeling a bit sorry for the...

shafique

ROFLMA - excellent.

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Shafique

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LOL indeed. Now, back to the discussion about the Holy Books - the similarities between the scriptures is a theme that coincidentally is also picked up in the book I'm currently reading - Ian Morris' 'Why the West Rules the world - for now'. He lists the Jain and Buddhist scriptures in his list - as...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HX5-ulcdXc

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Shafique

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..in India. There's an on-going hate campaign against Christians that doesn't get much coverage. Catholic Bishop Gerald Almeida of Jabalpur condemned the incident, which he said was part of an ongoing hate campaign against Christians in the state. http://www.cathnewsasia.com/2010/12/09/hindu-mob-sto...

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^Islam is pretty categoric - there is no ressurection. Allah says in the Quran that no one can/will return after dying. According to Islam, no prophet (or person) has been resurrected. I do consider that accounts of people being prounounced dead and then being revived are just episodes where people ...

shafique

^You mean 'Four Lions' wasn't a documentary

LOL

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Shafique

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^Will do - less than half way through right now - over 700 pages long- a very comprehensive view of history (starts with the first humans and the various theories about the spread of humans around the world). Currently reading the world in around 1000 - 0 BCE- and trying to keep track of the various...

shafique

You guys should read Dan Browns 'The Lost Symbol' - it is all about the Masons.

It's fictional, but based on real pieces of info (buildings, symbols etc).

cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Anyone targeted with violence would indeed be concerned - but there's no indication about the numbers of nutters that the group is frighted of. Indeed the Imam they named in the article is a Dutch guy - Mr van de Ven, who a quick Google shows up as one of those mad mullah types. Given that the viole...

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Here's the web site for the UK masons:
http://www.ugle.org.uk/

I've been to the Freemason's Hall (very grand building) in London for functions and did meet some freemasons - quite pleasant chaps as it turned out.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Another quick question - the is it Dutch Morrocans who are at fault?

From the article it sounded like it was Pakistani Muslims and the Dutch convert Imam (Khatme Nabuwat is Pakistani organisation).

Just asking - as the article didn't mention Morrocans, but the OP post does. ?

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Shafique

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I did a quick Google and came across this story from Dec 09 - an example of tolerance in Holland within the Muslim community. I would have expected a Dutch person to highlight this aspect of their country.. but that's just me I guess. Also, looking at the article again - it appears that the head of ...

shafique

^ That's pretty much where I was at the start of this thread: I don't believe the conspiracy theories - I don't think the US government or Mossad are competent enough to pull off such a cover-up if they were behind it. I also said that I found some of the spin fishy - and I still do. Now I'm a bit m...

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Facts not hype - an acadamic examines the reasons behind terrorist suicide attacks. The conclusions aren't surprising to those who have actually been looking beyond sensationalist headlines and Islamophobic rantings on blogs which blame Islam. Popular accounts of these suicide terrorists give the im...

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Well, it looks like the debate is nearing it's end - are we now left only with sarcastic comments and references to face palms?

Darn - I was looking forward to the explanations.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I have more questions about the profiles of these terrorists. For example, where is the evidence that these terrorists have tried to effect change in a non-violent way in the societies they are living in. Did they protest, march, write or sign petitions, write letters to newspapers and politicians,...

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Thanks MCL - most enlightening.

I've learnt somethings new about the BJP.

Cheers,
Shafique

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