I don't know what to call them... the black much looser dresses that some women wear, and the full-face veil and gloves. Is this a sign that a woman has very high self esteem? I mean, does she think that she is so stunning that she had better keep every inch of herself covered so that she does not ...
If the issue is about what a woman is wearing, why is it that non-Muslim women who dress conservatively with long sleeves and long pants - loose fitting even - can still be harassed by Muslim men? If a covered woman is a mark of a "good" non-sleazy woman, why do non-Muslim women who cover...
A bit of a philosophical mood at the moment. Let me first say what my definition of religion is: A set of rules by which a person chooses to live their lives, which governs their spiritual conduct (eg how, to whom, how often they pray etc) and also their social conduct (how they treat each other, di...
You can have rules of 'humanity' without having religion. It goes without saying that people should be kind and treat other as they would wish to be treated, you don't need a religion to tell you that. You can have faith without belonging to religion, which for me is just a way to have the masses a...
I agree with Chocs. Religion definitely helps some people on a personal level, but as soon as you start grouping religious people together the problems begin. I'm not a fan of organised religion at all. I'm not a fan of politicians and the political systems in the US (and elsewhere) - looking back ...
Society can have and requires laws and rules for people to live by, but you certainly don't need religion to reinforce it. As I said before there are laws of 'human kind'. The problem I have with religion enforcing or reinforcing things, is that they can so ingrain things into people that they can ...
Now K, there's an interesting question. Is it fair, that religions say that God (if he/she/it exists) will forgive sinners if they repent? Does it not mean that even those who have the committed to most awful of crimes can gain forgiveness, from religion/god just by saying sorry? Certainly society ...
Kanelli - thanks for summing up the thread. You say women wear skimpy clothes as it makes them feel good. It was a given that the culture would allow them to - as I asked why women choose to wear the skimpy clothing in public. However, that reason was only one of many given. I'm not sure why you're ...
Apologies for the length - but a nice article by someone I know personally - she is an academic and chooses to wear a veil. The Islamic Veil Islam has always suffered from many false charges against it due to the misunderstanding of its true teachings. One example of this is the wide spread false no...
I agree with you kanelli - in a society where dress is not dicated, women should not feel any compulsion to dress in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable. You are entitled to view the lady's opinion as 'archaic' rather than liberating as she argues. Wearing a face veil has always been optional i...
Yes, it is wrong to conclude that men are the only ones benefiting. Women feel good when they look good and can dress for any type of weather. When does 'main' become 'only'? Don't other animals in nature show off their assets in order to attract a mate? Excellent arguement kanelli. Animals do it -...
Yes, I fully admit that I believe that women covering up completely is archaic and oppressive. Even when the woman chooses to dress this way? Wow (they say it's not oppressive, you say they're wrong - that's what I find surprising). You are entitled to your opinion, of course. .. I cannot forget al...
Great post Chocs - I agree with your views and observations. Those who choose to go down the route of 'arranged introductions' (aka arranged marriages) are spared the issues you point out. Kanelli thanks for your views too. Total coverage of all skin is a bit extreme in my eyes too. (incidentally, n...
Ok - I now see your point about 'spheres'. You disagree with the author that the focus of a ladies life should be 'domestic'. Fair enough - she expressed her opinion in the article very well. Being family-centric is not something that is unique to Islam. All the nordic families I've met have been ve...
I thought these words from the article in the other thread may have some resonance here: Women are mixing freely with men, vying with one another in attracting them. They find pleasure and pride in exposing their beauty. They are even competing with one another in displaying their beauty contests fo...
I agree, and don't think "housewife" or "mother" are bad occupations. :D However, I think that both parents should take it seriously and both parents should be more present in their childrens' lives than they are in many families today. I know many women from an older generation...
Shafique, I am happy that you are proud of your religion, but we can definitely see that you think your invisible friend is superior to all the others. :lol: My invisible friend tells me to get along with everyone else and protect those who need protecting, whether they believe in Him or not. :) Ch...
I'm in favour of the death penalty. There needs to be legal safeguards and it should befit the crime, but yes as the ultimate punishment I believe in the death penalty. There is an issue of victim's rights and the rights of society which should be weighed against the rights of the criminals. Some cr...
The death penalty is the ultimate breach of Human rights. Criminals have jails. No one has the right to take anothers life. He should live through jail What about soldiers fighting against another army - do they have the right to kill? What about Police in a gun fight against a gang - do they have ...
Val - 'rape homicide' is when someone kills the victim after raping them.
I consider myself a 'liberal' - which may surprise some people. What sometimes gets lost in these discussions is the feelings of the victims and their relatives and friends.
rvp - so you agree that under some circumstances it is ok to kill. I just wanted to explore your previous statement that no one had the right to kill another person. I agree there is a lot of injustice in the world, but I don't think that alters the arguments in favour of the death penalty as a last...
RVP - I understand what you are saying. Killing should only be done in extreme circumstances and should not be taken lightly. I also follow your argument that the death penalty in some instances may be mis-used and counterproductive, and I also fully understand the injustice of many guilty people wa...
rvp - totally agree that is how you define a criminal. This is otherwise known as the 'law'. My support of the death penalty is in the context of a just criminal justice system. I do not know about the person from Bangladesh, so can't comment. In general, I do believe that those who have committed c...