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You could have just said 'I will dismiss erudite scholars who disagree with Bob Spencer and what I was taught at Bible camp'. However, I do concede that I do give more credence to Prof Hans Kung's conclusions about the history and development of Christian theology and make the same distinction he ma...

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^So let's focus on the teachers and not the ABC book.

That's exactly my point! (That and the view that the majority of professors are using the books correctly, but that the media focuses on the nutters and concludes that the books are bad!)

Cheers,
Shafique

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[quote="melika969Shaf, ur logis makes no sense, brutal dictator? SAVAK? Parties for his friends? You sound like my histoy books in high school and Berrin of course! [/quote] Ok, perhaps what I read about SAVAK is wrong then (I gave another quote above, here's another): SAVAK (Persian: ساواک, sh...

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Are you saying that SAVAK did not torture political prisoners? Anyway, perhaps we are just focussing on different aspects of the Shahs' rules - as I said, I concede that Reza Shah did build up the infrastructure, but was deposed, and I also concede that the last Shah did show flashes of nationalism ...

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:) You're right - the good pastor does indeed resemble the loonytune Yosemite Sam - doesn't he? :) (Which reminds me, last month I was speaking to a South African who had just gone up Mt Kilimanjaro - and is flying out the the States for a long holiday. He wanted to go and visit a national park ther...

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He said, yes, the Shah was an absolute dictator, and his SAVAK was brutal and they did torture whoever was opposing the Shah, but the country was generally prospering, and the Iranian people lived a much happier life under his rule. An interesting parallel is developing in regards to Iraq - I'm inc...

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I totally agree with your last sentence FD - that is why I highlighted the issues with foreign interference in Iranian affairs and the fact that the Shah was overthrown by a popular revolution. Those who were on the gravy train before the revolution are the ones who are complaining the loudest. The ...

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But Mel, I'm not interferring in Iran or telling Iranians how to act. I'm just stating historical facts - that the Shah's regime was overthrown by a popular revolution after he had become power-mad and used a Mossad/CIA trained thugs on his own people. Hey, I supported the opposition movement agains...

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Yes I do have to have the last word!

As for what I want Iranians to do etc, I refer you to my last post... your views about my motives don't seem to tie up with what I wrote.

Cheers,
Shafique

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So, a little bit of torture is ok - hmm. What I'm not convinced about is how much of the problems within Iran are due to them not playing ball with the US - I mean, if they buddied up to the US like Egypt, Saudi Arabia and nowadays Libya - and allowed the oil pipelines etc to go through - and theref...

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^ I'm actually in favour of capital punishment for the most serious crimes, but torture that's a clear no. As I said, I'm surprised that anyone excuses/condones the torture of political opponents of a dictator. Anyway, in line with the original article.. there's this one from 2005 - Mel, how many of...

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And then there is this article from last year (before the elections): http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE55A44X20090611 It does say that the economic and travel restrictions are now much worse, as Islamic dress, but it ends with: FREEDOM OF SPEECH Many Iranians remember the Shah's secret police, ...

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Seriously, I haven't met any Iranian prefering the mullahs over the shah. Torture in UAE prisons exists, still the government is very popular amongst its population. SAVAK,was a domestic security organization! every country has an organization for this purpose. Other jibberish abt tortures makes no...

shafique

Mel, I think you're confusing me with the author of the article! You should ask him what number 10 has to do with Mullahs. (Don't mullahs eat caviar?

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BTW - I agree with you on point 2 and I'm grateful for your insights on the other points. I'm glad you weren't arrested !

Cheers,
Shafique

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Mel - that quote was from Reuters from last year - don't shoot the messenger! FD - glad you clarified that you don't condone torture, I have to admit that it read that way to me in context. Anyway - fascinating how it turns out that Iran has a condom factory and the Mullahs condone a form of prostit...

shafique

You seem to be missing the point that quoting the 'official' history written by the Hellenistic Christian victors will of course reinforce their dogmatic views and will not show the views of the losers in a good light. Jewish Chrsitians disagreed with what I term Pauline Christianity and Kung calls...

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Where has the hypocrisy gone? No one thinks to ask about the consensus among the residents of Palestinian cities and villages on whose land the settlements have been built. The millions of Palestinians don't count at all. By Amira Hass In the late 1970s or early 1980s, Professor Asa Kasher spoke at...

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You seem to be arguing that Palestinians will choose to allow colonists to expand on Palestinian land because it provides construction jobs!? Wow. (Re-read what you quoted - let me know what the polls of the people whose land has been built upon says.. I'm not aware of them being in favour of not ge...

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Wow.

I reckon the lawyer's comment is an understatement:
But she intends to fight the state's court action, which her lawyer said "tested the limits of chutzpah."

shafique

You always go for the weird choices don't you eh - Bob Spencer and other loon bloggers over scholars of Islam, and now your bible camp teachers over Professor Hans Kung.

But hey, at least you now know who Edward Gibbon is!

Cheers,
Shafique

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^ I think you'll find I'm miffed at those who refuse to condemn war crimes that make Al Qaeda blush: http://www.dubaiforums.com/philosophy-dubai/most-extreme-religous-fanatic-here-t41961.html No one disputes that there are Iraqis who think Saddam's rule was better, just as there Iranians who don't b...

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Let's hope there isn't a repeat of the Pirates of the Med incident: European Jewish aid ship bound for Gaza ready to sail Kate Katzenstein-Leiterer, a leader of the German Jewish Voice organization, said the trip being managed by Jews for Justice for Palestinians (JfJfP), a British group. The Jewish...

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An interesting article from last year entitled 'Western Misconceptions of Iran' http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2009/06/western_misconception_iran_rea.html [in 1979] The first group of Iran experts argued that the Shah of Iran would certainly survive, that the unrest was simply a cyclical eve...

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Also done to death in the Politics section... but have a look at this for some laughs:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/09/jon-st ... iapalooza/

(I reckon he's a dead ringer for looneytune Yosemite Sam..)

shafique

So, when a loon is pictured at a loon rally, the other loons react with a 'what aboutery' defence! :shock: And what do we know about 'what aboutery' defenses? : This is what is called "what about-ery." What about this other country, or that one. I think it's the least attractive form of de...

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^Well, I guess one must be careful with labels here. I would call the Orthodox Jews who thank God each morning for not creating them as women or gentiles to be part of the 'Christian-Judaic' religion, as well as those defending the Rabbi saying it is ok to kill Gentile women and children under certa...

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So eh tries to divert attention away from loons in America by digging up a two year old story about Jewish youths in Israel. Hmmm. Loons are funny when they are on the back foot! :mrgreen: But let's play along with the young one and pretend we are back in 2008: :shock: Wow, this is within Israel- ca...

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Nope. Try again - this time try reading and understanding the dictionary definition of Aslama which includes the word peace. You have quoted Kung state that Islam derives from Aslama...ergo you've shot yourself in the foot. Again, I ask you to provide ONE expert who disputes the fact Aslama also mea...

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