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:mrgreen: Perhaps you mistakenly thought I said I agreed with the loon versions of Islam? I take it you didn't follow my advice to read the quote? :) Repeating a lie over and over again doesn’t make it true; but it certainly results in people believing the lie. That’s what the Islam-haters are count...

shafique

I'm talking about the latest release by the author of religions which are divinely revealed.

But you're missing the point - I was focussing more on why Islam is the focus of the opposition that in the past was manifested against Catholics, Jews, blacks etc.

Cheers,
Shafique

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What war(s) caused the anti-semitism against Jews or the racism against blacks? (Although I agree that wars and depressions etc cause a rise in prejudice generally) I think people should indeed resist being told what to do by others and only do things willingly - but there's a difference between thi...

shafique

hehe, I am a result of Islamic education system, dont u forget that! :mrgreen: So was the 'breast feeding fatwa' cleric - an education does not immunise yourself from silly comments/views ! :wink: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6681511.stm RC - your comments about integration, being different etc all r...

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Mel: As I said, he read and supposedly understood the Quran and Hadith - and yet still came out with a ridiculous opinion that he later had to apologise for. Islam wasn't, after all, a religion that condoned a silly and stupid act. Similarly, loons try and generalise and paint Islam as aggressive et...

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RC - your comments about integration, being different etc all reinforce my comparisons with earlier communities which faced prejudice. My point is that it wasn't right then and isn't right now - but it does indeed exist and those justifying the prejudice thought they were justified in their beliefs...

shafique

It's when martyr bursts a car with 50 kg of TNT in the trunk and gas cilinder inside on the entrance of street market in Eid holyday. That's also more commonly called terrorism. It has as much to do with Islam as Catholics blowing up protestants, or Jews blowing British soldiers has to do with Chri...

shafique

What you call 'real evidence' for global takeovers etc I call loon theories - so at least we are clear where each is coming from. I'm also clear that as a practicing Muslim who can indeed cite evidence for their belief, there is a clear difference between Islam as understood by Muslims and that unde...

shafique

I agree - as I said, it is a clear choice between who to believe about Islam's teachings. There is no confusion over the fact that your understanding of Islam's teachings is different from mine and is in line with Gert and eh's (loons/Islamophobes) - who, by the way, admit to not having read the who...

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Is it painfully obvious that what shafique calls 'actual' evidence for Islam's teachings others would call 'loon' fantasies - Says the loon who admits he hasn't read (let alone understood) the whole Quran but insists he knows what Islam teaches. Repeating a lie over and over again doesn’t make it t...

shafique

http://www.123muslim.com/muslim-today/1 ... uslim.html

shafique

I wonder how many people saw the cover and read : "Everything about Iran is wrong" ?? It certainly would explain a lot of things! :) One thing Mel can probably help answer - did Ahmadinejad become the latest 'devil incarnate' for the US before or after he threatened to start selling oil in...

shafique

Sure thing, I will check out the references and see whether he says that Islam does not have a secondary meaning of peace. As was discussed here, Aslama also means peace - see quote below.. Hey, my quote actually comes from someone who exists and is a scholar .. You still haven't actually addressed ...

shafique

But the weird thing is that the people who claim the instruction manual says 'drive into pedestrians' haven't actually read the whole manual, or actually driven the car - they've just read about the car from 'trainspotting for cool guys' magazine - which says that cars are evil! :) ;) Cheers, Shafique

shafique

Nope, I couldn't see where Kung disputes the fact that Aslama includes the meaning of peace- but I'll continue looking/reading. (BTW- I asked you to confirm with any scholar that Aslama does not also mean 'Peace' as quoted above - we're still waiting for you to pick up this challenge). There are som...

shafique

TJ - Saddam actually did sell oil in Euros, that was just a symptom that he was no longer 'our tough guy' in the region any longer.

For me the images of US soldiers guarding the ministry of oil when within eye-shot the museum was been looted said it all.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

he is liar, fake populist and has no shame! I dont know if this kind of personality is understandable by west! :wink: I think we call this personality type a 'politician' in the west. :mrgreen: (But you didn't answer my question - did he become the bad guy only after Iran didn't agree to pipelines,...

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You are right Mel, I haven't lived in corrupt religous countries before, but I have spent some time in a corrupt non-religious country (I spent 4 years in Zimbabwe). I can't help but observe that Ahmadinejad is not the most extreme leader in the region - he can't fix elections like Mubarak does in E...

shafique

Reza was the Cossack soldier who came to power in a coup, his son was the second and last Pahlavi and who was put into power when Reza was given the elbow. He was the Ghadaffi of his day, I guess - but perhaps with more bling. Reza banned the veil and forced women to unveil.. how times have changed ...

shafique

There's already a thread on this in the politics section - but thanks for posting two other articles on this. My comments in the other thread still apply.

dubai-politics-talk/god-did-not-create-the-universe-t43142.html#p346293

shafique

trains - that reminds me of the saying 'Mussolini made the trains run on time'! Actually, to be fair, Reza did a lot to help build up the infrastructure of Iran, but he was deposed by the West for wanting to look after his people more than help the West - a story which was to be repeated with Mossad...

shafique

I thought this thread was about what the West's view of Iran (TJ asked this specifically) and the questions/info are dealing what people think they know about Iran.... Who was the enemy of Mossadegh? Well the coup that overthrew him was supported by the CIA. duh. As for Reza Shah: Reza Shah's main c...

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Chev started it there... and there they stayed. Anyway, we can still discuss Hawking's theory here if you wish.. I've always maintained that I don't have enough faith to be an atheist and this new theory doesn't change that position. I do believe that there is a very remote probability that the lapt...

shafique

Ok, happy to be educated about who deposed Mossadegh. This is the info from Wiki - Plot to depose Mosaddegh Soldiers surround the Parliament building in Tehran on 19 August 1953.The government of the United Kingdom had grown increasingly distressed over Mosaddegh's policies and were especially bitte...

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Reza Shah's main critics were the so-called "new intelligencia", often educated in Europe, for whom the Shah "was not a state-builder but an `oriental despot` ... not a reformer but a plutocrat strengthening the landed upper class; not a real nationalist but a jack-booted Cossack tra...

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Mossadegh's overthrow by the CIA on behalf of the UK is one of the great examples of a country not being allowed to do what is best for its people.. The fact that the CIA used locals to do the dirty work isn't news - the criticism of Reza was that he was installed by the West (and then deposed by th...

shafique

Have you heard the expression 'I'm alright jack?' http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/I'm_all_right,_Jack ;) And it is news to me that Reza or Mossadegh were clerics! I think you're now rambling Mel -take a chill pill. - It is clear you are a big fan of the Pahlavis even though they were puppets of the We...

shafique

BTW- I asked you to confirm with any scholar that Aslama does not also mean 'Peace' as quoted above - we're still waiting for you to pick up this challenge. I'll take that as a 'no I haven't been able to show that Aslama does NOT also mean peace as the dictionaries say'. And it comes as no surprise...

shafique

But the weird thing is that the people who claim the instruction manual says 'drive into pedestrians' haven't actually read the whole manual, or actually driven the car - they've just read about the car from 'trainspotting for cool guys' magazine - which says that cars are evil! :) Haha, no no Shaf...

shafique

I dont even open your stupid links, when u trying to be funny! That explains a lot. However, I quoted the bits that made my point - the links were mainly to show where the info came from. So, in summary - you don't dispute the facts that Reza Shah was initially a Western Puppet and then replaced by...

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