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Gaza flotilla video mashup: Internet Killed Israeli PR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME_NpnH7 ... r_embedded

Enjoy!

shafique

What confused you about Hamas' clear and categoric statement that it is not anti-semitic, doesn't deny the Holocaust and is only engaged in a political (i.e. not religious) struggle with the occupying power, Israel? Why insist in living in the 80's when Israel seemed to be better at convincing peopl...

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^Ah, the selective loon argument and expected sense of humour failure. You would have seen the comment left by the creators of the clip: There has been some speculation that this video has been blocked due to a depiction of Hitler which appeared onscreen for approximately one second. This clip was ...

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Indeed, that is the subject of this thread - 'Hamas, in their own voices' (and not what fanbois etc wish to believe).

The categoric statement of Hamas confirms the Le Monde article from 3 years ago. I thank you.

Cheers,
Shafique

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I agree, it is a good example of loon smoke and mirrors - making something out of one second of the video which the makers rightly say: It would be difficult to misread this as any sort of glorification. I guess they didn't allow for the sense of humour failure of those who have egg on their faces f...

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I know you think you know more about the Bible and Quran than Prof Hans Kung and wish to stick to your loon interpretation, but unfortunately for you your inability to counter the knock-out blow to your argument is most telling. The God of Muhammad, pbuh, is the God of Jesus and therefore all your p...

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Obviously, loons can't handle the truth when presented with clear, unambiguous and categoric statements: But it should be made clear that neither Hamas nor the Palestinian government in Gaza denies the Nazi Holocaust. The Holocaust was not only a crime against humanity but one of the most abhorrent ...

shafique

Yes, it is in a thread about laughs! (But only the loons that can laugh at themselves, of course. You guys seem to have a collective sense of humour failure!)

Try and keep up, young one - and lighten up (and you too should heed the advice about bollocks!)

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Yes, I mean the categoric statement made by the Hamas official stating what Hamas' views are - as well as the 2007 article from Le Monde stating pretty much the same thing (i.e. that loons are living in a fantasy world created by the likes of Guru Spencer and Memri) Loons can't handle real evidence ...

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Ah, still insisting on ignoring facts I see. The God of Muhammad, pbuh, is the God of Jesus - and the loons are seething that this is the conclusion of Prof Hans Kung who has actually studied both Quran and Bible. The attribute of Rahman has been explained already, but given that Kung concludes that...

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Why do I need to punk you with another argument? Your whole theory has been blown away by the simple fact you haven't been able to refute the simple fact that Kung (who has actually studied the Quran and Bible) concludes that the God of Jesus is the God of Muhammad. The attributes of God in the Qura...

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That does seem to be what loons desperately want people to believe - so I can imagine how frustrated you must be that Hamas has come out and clearly exposed your fantasies to be just that. I mean, Hamas can't be clearer: The plight of our people is not the product of a religious conflict between us ...

shafique

Let me repeat the question:

So, do you believe in talking Donkeys like some christians do, or do you agree with the other Christians who say it never happened literally? Your evasion is embarrassing you now.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Haaretz reports on pictures the IDF wishes weren't published which expose how Palestinians are treated: "The horrible pictures demonstrate a norm of treating Palestinians like objects instead of human beings – treatment that disregards their feelings as humans and their right to privacy." ...

shafique

I totally agree that in loonville things look different. I fully understand your frustration - in your world you think Muslims can't live in peace: Peace with Islam and Muslims is impossible. The only time Muslims seek peace is when they need to reload. So, I fully understand your frustration when H...

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However, your theory is punked by the fact that 'Hamas: In their own voices' is categoric and unambigious: But it should be made clear that neither Hamas nor the Palestinian government in Gaza denies the Nazi Holocaust. The Holocaust was not only a crime against humanity but one of the most abhorren...

shafique

Not all NY'ers are against the Cordoba Islamic Center it seems:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBzK-bSkKzU

Articulate and well informed New Yorkers show great insight.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Epic failure again. I suggest you look on a map and consult with FD - he started this thread to try and propagate the Israeli line that everything is nice in Gaza. Gaza is the open prison guarded by Israel. Lebanon is the country to the north of Israel - and earlier in the thread FD tried to make th...

shafique

Thanks FD - a great example of selective quoting and ignoring evidence. Let's compare the truth with the loon spin, again: First Hroub: Hroub has analysed in detail three key documents published by Hamas since the charter: its autumn 2005 election manifesto, Change and Reform; its March 2006 draft p...

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Haaretz is reporting that Muslim leaders may abandon the plans for the centre after all: .. But several people familiar with the debate among New York's Islamic activists now claim that the leaders are convinced abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims. Th...

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And Salon.com has documented how the fear mongering took place: How the “ground zero mosque” fear mongering began by Justin Elliot A group of progressive Muslim-Americans plans to build an Islamic community center two and a half blocks from ground zero in lower Manhattan. They have had a mosque in t...

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Well, it goes to show that not all Americans fall for the loon spin - some aren't gullible, confused or fearful! As explained on spencerwatch.com ..Because [loons] prey on the gullible, confused, and fearful in order to stoke the flames of hate and intolerance in their minds and hearts against Musli...

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I understand fully your frustration and insistence on citing spin and snippets as evidence of loon theories. The fact remains, you've been comprehensively punked by the categoric, complete and clear statement of Hamas. Saying that a Hamas politician is a politician is the most funny argument yet - H...

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You are a sucker for punishment aren't you eh! ;) 80% of Gazans are dependent on food aid. That's a pretty specific measure. Please show that more than 80% of Palestinians in Lebanon are similarly dependant. (Go on, make my day - show you're not 'all mouth, no trousers') If you look back at FD's lam...

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Pray, tell us what your views on the Fourth Crusade are then, young one? From what I've studied, it was a case of European Christians going to Constantinople and slaughtering their Christian brethren, looting the treasures and taking them back to Europe (where much of it is still on display - notabl...

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Yes, indeedy. You guys must be so frustrated that even Jerusalem Post doesn't buy the Israeli Govt spin that all is well in Gaza! http://www.dubaiforums.com/dubai-politics-talk/gaza-paradise-jerusalem-post-t42064.html If you read through the article, you'll see other canards you can try to present a...

shafique

Thanks for sharing your view of the discussion - can't see how that addresses the clear, categoric and complete Hamas statement that exposes your views as just wishful thinking. 'Hamas: In their Own Voices' - eh must regret naming this thread like that. I guess he wanted to write 'Hamas: as imagined...

shafique

No worse than the slaughter of Venetians and Genoese under Andronicus a few years prior to the fourth crusade. So, at least we're not denying it was a bloodbath/slaughter. Cool - that's a great start. I was afraid you were going to spin the sacking of Constantinople and the looting of it's treasure...

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On reflection, eh referring to the sacking of Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade as 'some looting did occur' makes me wonder whether he's being deliberately obtuse (we know he's not a Brit, so wouldn't be engaging in some amusing understatement). So, for clarity - let's have a look at a descriptio...

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Hey Tom - don't worry, the most heated discussions on the subject are between Muslims - this exchange of views here is pretty tame! Short observation: Nature is messy. From my perspective, I think that given we can indeed work out when the moon will be visible from any point on earth, then this info...

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