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Thanks for the additional pieces of information - but they don't actually change any of the facts listed, do they? In fact the last 'fact' appears to be a mistake on your part. 1. In 1947, only 37% of the inhabitants of Palestine were Jewish - the country of Palestine was as defined (in detail) in t...

shafique

These maps show the UN partition plan in 1948 where Palestine is split 55% to Israel and 45% to Palestine, the 1949 armstice line gave Israel control over 78%, and in 1967 Israel took control of the remaining 22% (and parts of Egypt and Syria to boot). http://news.bbc.co.uk/furniture/in_depth/world/...

shafique

You do realise that your evasiveness over facts presented isn't going un-noticed - don't you? Again with your fantasies, young loon. I'm at a loss why you think Ibrahim's 'hodgepodge' is gospel and think repeating your beliefs will disguise the fact you haven't actually addressed Bin Laden's explana...

shafique

Again with the Ibrahim spin? Why ignore what Bin Laden says the reasons for 9/11 are and believe Ibrahim's version? Could it be that you can't handle the truth?? (I'm getting deja vu ;) ) Ibrahim's hodgepodge of a book vs Bin Laden's explanation. Hmm. Not even a close competition, is it? Cheers, Sh...

shafique

Hmm - so now we are avoiding the Crusades altogether now are we? A wise move indeed - given the ridiculous arguments from you, like 'Crusades weren't a Holy War' and 'the Holy War called by the Pope was 'generic' because Christ could be replaced by Buddha' etc! Just clarify that you've abandoned the...

shafique

Because you are repeating Ibrahim's spin.

Do try and keep up young one.

Let me repeat:

shafique wrote:Why ignore what Bin Laden has said the reasons for 9/11 are and believe Ibrahim's spin? Could it be because you can't handle the truth?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Why ignore what Bin Laden says the reasons for 9/11 are and believe Ibrahim's version? Could it be that you can't handle the truth?? (I'm getting deja vu ) Enough with the smoke and mirrors, young one - address directly the reasons for 9/11 by Bin Laden, where he says the reasons are political. I k...

shafique

Why are you avoiding the question posed and asking another question: Just clarify that you've abandoned these beliefs now. As for Bin Laden's motivations for 9/11 - we have a thread that explains this in detail, with full quotes to his explanation for 9/11. Quite clearly political if you read his ex...

shafique

Good to read that the (rather lame, it has to be said) latest attempt to stop the Cordoba House cultural centre being built has been overturned. Attempt to block 'Ground Zero mosque' fails An attempt to stop a plan for a mosque near New York's Ground Zero has failed after the site was denied landmar...

shafique

What appears to have happened is that Israeli soldiers cross over a border fence and then go gardening either within the buffer zone, or in Lebanon proper - trimming bushes (according to Haaretz) or cutting down trees (according to Lebanese Army). The 'bushes' according to the Israeli army straddled...

shafique

israel gave more land to Pali's from the mandate than any arab state. You're arguing this is not a mistake? As far as I can make out, you're saying that Israel has 'given' Gaza and the West Bank to the Palestinians - land the Israelis conquered in 1967. Do loons/fanbois have an alternative dictiona...

shafique

Young one will be particularly unhappy - his Guru Bob and his loon-in-arms Pamela (what has she done to her face?) Geller were very active in trying to stop the Cultural Centre being built - and IIRC spoke and lobbied at the hearings held over the matter declaring the coat factory declared a landmar...

shafique

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/us ... .koran.cnn

shafique

I came across this quote from Anthony Julius today in Haaretz. He disapproves of a commonly seen fanbois tactic in these forums. 'A playground defense' and 'least attractive form of defense'. Q: What about those who argue that the disproportionate attention paid to Israel and its actions is in some ...

shafique

Sigh. FD - I did suggest we discuss his points about anti-semitism in another thread.

This thread is really about What about-ery - a tactic you are fond of.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Umm - what has either of those stories got to do with a border clash between the armies of Israel and Lebanon? Or are you just being ironic and engaging in a bit of 'what about-ery' for fun? So Israel kills 4, Lebanon kills 1 (over a tree, of all things!) - and resident fanbois talks about rockets f...

shafique

The frightening thing is that the loons who believe Guru Bob's views on Islam basically spew the same nonsense about Islam that this loony pastor says on camera. I mean, our resident most extreme religious nutter is on record saying: Peace with Islam and Muslims is impossible. The only time Muslims ...

shafique

The decision to defer sending him to prison pending an appeal is indeed welcome. The same article you linked to above, actually begins with a bit more information: The High Court of Justice ruled Tuesday that Sabar Kashour, convicted of rape after telling a woman he slept with that he was Jewish and...

shafique

Nope, believing Ibrahim's spin from his hodgepodge of a book is what is wrong. I'm just asking why you don't quote Bin Laden when he gives the explanation for 9/11 and insist that Ibrahim's version is correct? Is Ibrahim more informed about Bin Laden's motives that Bin Laden? (I wouldn't be surprise...

shafique

All I did was ask whether you had given up your silly argument that the Crusades weren't holy wars and that the Pope called for a 'generic' Holy War because had he said 'Buddha' instead of 'Christ' it would have still made sense? Have you given up these arguments now? If so, then what's all the fuss...

shafique

You could have just said you have no evidence that the rational explanation that there was a tribe called the Al Naml and that your hopes have been dashed yet again. So: But I'm curious - are you ashamed to tell us whether you one of the Christians who believe that a donkey did indeed have a convers...

shafique

Ah, so tell us young loon, what do religious Christians and Jews think about having it off with a stranger 10 minutes after you meet them on the street? Is the Torah and Bible silent on this point? What would your Pastor say? And your post is bordering on 'what about-ery' - and I note that you don't...

shafique

I simply asked why you believe Ibrahim's spin rather than Bin Laden's explanations about why 9/11 was carried out? (In the interview, he is asked specifically about 9/11 (the World Trade Centre) - what is his explanation for 9/11?) I couldn't have been clearer. Will you address this question? Cheers...

shafique

Strange, I thought I asked you whether you had given up your silly argument that the Crusades weren't a Holy war and the sillier argument that the Holy War called by Urban was 'generic' because he used the word Christ in it to justify the war, and could have used Buddha instead? Why are you avoiding...

shafique

I have a feeling that this news will add insult to injury ;) : 'Ground Zero mosque' Imam thanks U.S. Jews for support ..Jstreet collects over 10,000 signatures in support of plan. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the main force behind a plan to build a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero in New York, thanked ...

shafique

Berrin - your view is exactly that of eh's when he explains why he believes the Sun stopped in the sky for a day as described in the Bible - i.e. it was a Miracle performed by God. He doesn't have a scientific explanation for the sun stopping in the sky - so 'it was a miracle' is the only explanatio...

shafique

Cool, so we have unanimity amongst the loons that 'what about-ery' is a playground defense and has no moral weight. In a deliciously ironic way they have pointed this out by engaging in 'what about-ery'! Very clever of them. ;) So, now we've established a nice label for this defense tactic (and I do...

shafique

Indeed. Israel kills 4 including a civilian, Lebanon kills one officer - and the explanation is the 'off the shelf' - it was not our fault, it was them Arabs. It is also interesting to contrast the different descriptions/spin being given to the tree in question - read the IDF side and you get the im...

shafique

Geller is seemingly a inexhaustible source of hatred towards Islam, much of it funny, but she insists 'I love Moslems' http://www.loonwatch.com/?s=geller+loves+muslims&x=0&y=0 Here's Geller giving an interview this week - loon beliefs are challenged (including 'Hitler was inspired by Islam' ...

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Mayor Bloomberg defends religious tolerance in NY, backed by Christian and Jewish leaders - (three Jewish leaders — Rabbi Bob Kaplan from the Jewish Community Council, Rabbi Irwin Kula from the National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership, and Cara Berkowitz from the UJA Federation): ..in fact...

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Re: Koran And Science

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