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shafique

When you have a credible source for the existence some talking ants rather than a tribe called Al Naml, get back to me, til then I will stick with the rational explanation of the verse. I take it you have no evidence, and therefore it is bizare that you think I will reject a rational explanation in ...

shafique

And the mother of all U-turns continues. ;) So, we now agree that the Pope called for a Holy War (so what was all the fuss about?) - but in your weird world it was a 'generic call' for a Holy War and IF the Pope hadn't been the head of the Church, and IF he hadn't called for fighting in the name of ...

shafique

I don't think Cameron was wrong in anything he said, but agree that saying it in India was bound to get up Pakistan's nose, and of course he was on a arse kissing exercise - aircraft etc need to be sold to the former colony - we are really, really in debt don't you know! ;) However, I applaud the st...

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Haaretz reports on another example of the reality that the Palestinians are the one's making all the concessions in the on-going efforts to end the Israeli occupation of land they captured in 1967 and implement UN resolutions relating to Israel and Palestine going back to the 40s (Palestinians are w...

shafique

No, I'm not kidding you. I'm asking you whether you have any evidence that there wasn't a village called Al Naml. I'm also not kidding when I tell you that I'll always choose the logical/rational explanation instead of rejecting science like you have done in the case of the Bible's claim that the su...

shafique

So, the Pope called for a Holy War and cites Christ's authority and says 'Christ commands it'. The Crusaders literally 'took the cross' after the call for Holy War. Yet you call it a 'generic' call?? You must have a strange definition of 'generic'?? (Also, you're losing it - look back and you will s...

shafique

May I ask whether you also believe that Donkey's can talk (I know my kids think they speak like Eddie Murphy - but they recognise this only happens in Shrek!): Numbers 22:28-30, 28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me ...

shafique

So, we're now back to where we started - you claiming that the Crusades weren't Holy Wars after all. Hmm. But, I'm still trying to get my head round by the latest twist in your logic - If you can repackage the Pope's call to war by only changing the name of a deity, then that would be considered gen...

shafique

If you don't have any evidence that there wasn't a tribe called Al Naml - then you could just say so. As I said, I'll take the rational explanation everytime. I therefore disagree with YOU - most definitely - and choose the rational explanation. Now, do you believe in talking Donkeys as described in...

shafique

I really don't understand the logic in saying that the Pope calling for a Holy War in the name of Christ (in the speech you quoted) could be viewed as 'generic' because if he could have used a different religious figure instead of 'Christ'? :shock: You seem to be saying that a Buddhist could have gi...

shafique

Why would I want to name a nation 'Al Naml' when God only says that Solomon and his army encountered a group of dwellers in a valley? Strange boy. As I said, until you can find any evidence that the rational explanation cannot apply, you're attempt to get me to join you and give up the rational expl...

shafique

Did you look up the words 'generic' and 'specific'? I doubted that Loons had a different version of history when it came to claiming that the Crusades weren't Holy Wars - and was proved right when you selectively quoted a speech which had Urban calling for a Christian Holy War - but I am surprised t...

shafique

Despite Syria and Hezbolllah's protestations - they most probably were behind Hariri's assassination. I don't think we'll ever find out the definite truth - it wasn't the first and won't be the last killing in Lebanon's violent history of turbulent politics, and the numerous parties and loyalties (w...

shafique

Elder's quiz is really a poor response to the original (but such is the case all too often with Loons and fanbois). Compare and contrast : THE ISRAEL-PALESTINE QUIZ QUESTIONS: 1. Who wrote the following in 1891? “We abroad are used to believing Eretz Yisrael is now almost totally desolate, a desert ...

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You can't handle the truth can you, young one? ;) http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20152.htm Can You Pass The Israel-Palestine Quiz? By Jeffrey Rudolph 22/06/08 "ICH" -- - The Israel-Palestine conflict resonates deeply with many people. Opinions are sharply divided and gener...

shafique

Did you look up the definitions of words 'generic' and 'specific'? Just calling me a 'loon' won't change the fact you seem to be confused about whether to back up your initial claim that the Crusades were Holy Wars or the later funny statement that .. after all, the Pope's call for war is pretty gen...

shafique

I am indeed ignoring your chosen interpretation - and waiting for ANY evidence that the verses don't apply to a villager called Al Naml. Should you come across this evidence, let us know. Now, do you believe in talking Donkeys as described in the Bible - as some Christians do, or do you side with th...

shafique

I'm not the one who keeps changing their mind or redefining English words (such as generic) ;) .. after all, the Pope's call for war is pretty generic, any religious group that believes in one God could have written it. At least we've discovered you were just being a rogue loon when you tried to cla...

shafique

Still quoting from Ibrahim's book? And yet you can't bring yourself to defend this 'friend' of yours? Ah, I think it is sweet. Raymond Ibrahim is the equivalent of loon comfort food. So here we have a young loon starting in the thread : http://www.dubaiforums.com/dubai-politics-talk/religious-basis-...

shafique

So, we agree that the Crusades were a Holy War now? I've quoted Bin Laden's reasons for 9/11 - heck, there's even a thread detailing the reasons for it. Ditto the Tim McVeigh wannabe. So, given your thread title - I agree with you, the Crusades were indeed religious wars. Hence the other is politica...

shafique

I am indeed ignoring your chosen interpretation - and waiting for ANY evidence that the verses don't apply to a villager called Al Naml. Should you come across this evidence, let us know. Now, do you believe in talking Donkeys as described in the Bible - as some Christians do, or do you side with t...

shafique

So, you are not going to defend 'your friend' then? As for the substance of your original post and Ibrahim's flights of fancy, we can easily compare his interpretations with the full quotes I gave. Interestingly, you have chosen not to do this and believe that Ibrahim's book is Gospel. But you reall...

shafique

I'm not the one who is confused about the meaning of the word generic. So, so we or do we not agree that the Crusades were a Holy war called 'in the name of Christ' to kill the 'vile race' of 'infidels' because 'Christ Commands It'? Or have you changed your mind again? As for making fun of your thre...

shafique

Try and keep up - Ibrahim is a huckster and has been exposed as such. I'm surprised you're not leaping to his defence. You've decided to quote his book and believe what he writes is gospel. I've invited you to compare and contrast his spin with Bin Laden's full explanation of why he launched 9/11. s...

shafique

So, when faced with Urban's call for a Holy War in the name of Christ, your response is the Mooslims are just as bad? (Even though we have threads which explain Bin Laden's explanation, in his own words, in full) At least we've gone beyond the ridiculous statements 'Crusades weren't Holy Wars' and '...

shafique

There you go again, quoting Ibrahim's book as if it was gospel is not going to change the fact that Bin Laden's explanation for 9/11 has been quoted in full and contradict Mr Ibrahim's spin that you quote. Given you have only given references to his book - and he quotes snippets (and probably ones t...

shafique

Actually, I linked to the complete speech by Bin Laden where he asks the question why they didn't attack Sweden and gives the reason for 9/11. Well, let's see what Ibrahim's book actually is: a hodgepodge of interviews, declarations, and exegetical arguments can be read as a sort of jihadist manifes...

shafique

Yes, smoke and mirrors aside, the Crusades were a Christian Holy War called by the Pope.

Now, look at thread title and my point is made. Thanks.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So why did you type out the thread title - surely you should have written: "I believe 9/11 is a Holy War despite what Bin Laden says, and I believe they are like the Christian Holy War called by Urban II" We could have avoided the amusing arguments from you, like 'Crusades weren't a Holy W...

shafique

Again with your fantasies, young loon.

I'm at a loss why you think Ibrahim's 'hodgepodge' is gospel and think repeating your beliefs will disguise the fact you haven't actually addressed Bin Laden's explanation for 9/11.

Hmmm.

Cheers,
Shafique

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