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shafique wrote:Are you saying that my explanation is 'nonsense' because it doesn't accord with your interpretation, or because it can't explain what is written?

Are you avoiding this question too?

Do you have any evidence that Al Naml weren't a tribe of humans?

Cheers,
Shafique

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It's a bit interesting that you would argue that a 'Holy War' makes a conflict inherently religious. So do we agree that the Crusades were a Holy War, after all? :roll: (You'll have to help me out with the loon logic though - how is a Holy War NOT 'inherently religious'?) BTW - I notice that you st...

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But it is interesting that you chose the 3rd of 5 versions of the speech to extract your quote. Had you chosen the first, you'd have had to justify how the following is not an explicit call to Holy War: If you permit them to continue thus for awhile with impurity, the faithful of God will be much mo...

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A great story from the UK - where devout Muslim parents fight to send their kids to a Jewish school where Israeli flags are waved on independence day, all kids learn Hebrew and the only religion taught is Judaism. (The story is from 2007, but was featured today on Loonwatch - and worth posting again...

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The UK Prime Minister, David Cameron, said in Turkey: "Gaza cannot and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp," Mr Cameron said. "People in Gaza are living under constant attacks and pressure in an open-air prison," he said. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-107781...

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Yes, of course I have a basis for my choice of interpretations - it is called common sense. As I said, if there is a perfectly rational explanation, I prefer that to believing that God breaks the laws of nature just because eh wants us to think like he does. Again, I refer you to point 1 of my expla...

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So, do we agree now that the Crusades were a Holy War? Cool. (See, as I suspected you were indeed a rogue loon and couldn't back up your bizare claim that the Crusades weren't Holy Wars!) As for whether Bin Laden is the equivalent of the Pope, we can compare your theory with the actual reasons Bin L...

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Given that we now have the references to the speeches of Urban, perhaps young eh can try and justify his statement: Hopefully we can see which declaration is more uniquely religious - after all, the Pope's call for war is pretty generic, any religious group that believes in one God could have writte...

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Sometimes it appears that the Israeli government really does inhabit an alternative reality where the laws of logic and common sense don't apply. Seriously, I'm just amazed at the arguments being played out in Israel at the moment over whether construction of settlements (colonies on Palestinian lan...

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You're welcome. It's always good to keep things in perspective and highlight the facts on the ground - the multi-cultural aspects of UK life does indeed reap benefits like those highlighted above. I thought that the fact that the journalist highlighted that the muslim parents were devout and many wo...

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^I half agree with you.

But then again, perhaps Bin Laden is loony for saying what he said the reasons for 9/11 were. But on the first part of your statement - no arguments there!

Cheers,
Shafique

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The Guardian is reporting that Sheikh Khalid of RAK is seeking the aid of Israel and others for a 'bloodless coup' - i.e. help for him to succeed his father who exiled him. :shock: How is this news going down in the UAE? Israel linked to exiled sheikh's bid for 'coup' in Gulf emirate of RAK• • Tiny ...

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So, you now agree that the Crusades were indeed Holy Wars - excellent. You were indeed on a rogue loon trip then. However, you're not going to be able to wriggle out of not answering a related quote: Given that we now have the references to the speeches of Urban, perhaps young eh can try and justify...

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So, you do want me to join you and reject science and believe that a fantastical event happened, even though in this case we have an alternative explanation? May I respectfully decline your invitation and stay with those who don't reject science, as tempting as your invitation to join you in your ch...

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Again with your fantasies? I totally agree that you desperately want to believe in the interpretation that disregards science - that is your choice. Unless you have any evidence that there wasn't a tribe called the 'Al Naml' (just like there is a place called 'Abu Dhabi' - father of antelope) then i...

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You seem to be arguing that 'apart from the bits of the speech where Urban is telling people it is a Christian Holy War, the other parts were generic calls for a Holy War' :shock: I presume the part where the Crusaders 'take the Cross' will be the part where it is a Christian Holy War, but I'm strug...

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:) Don't you just love the loon tactics of blaming the other when examples of Islamophobia are given. They can't seem to make up their minds - first it is 'Islamophobia doesn't exist' then it is 'but look over there, the Mooslims also commit hate crimes' (the latter is when they can't explain/excuse...

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So, you don't have any evidence that there wasn't a tribe called the 'Al Naml' and insist I agree with you that we should reject a rational explanation and accept a fantastical version that means rejecting science. Should you have some evidence that my rational explanation CANNOT apply, I'll happily...

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Still blaming the other?

Do you attend the church that is proposing to burn Quran?

cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So, you're defending your logic that 'apart from the bits of Urban's speech where he says it is a Christian Holy War, it is a generic call for Holy War'? 10/10 for Chutzpah. 0/10 for logic. :) As for your blind belief that Ibrahim's book is the gospel truth, I have indeed already addressed this and ...

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Thanks for confirming that God does not use the word 'foot'. As for what Solomon and his army would be unaware of should they have destroyed the village is again subject to interpretation. You think it refers to little ants being crushed underfoot - I disagree with the premise and reject the irratio...

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I know you want to divert attention from one of the mother's of U-turns - but it isn't going to work. Confirm that you now agree (after all) that the Crusades were a Holy War called by Urban and explain how you can justify your statement that Urban's call for Holy War was 'generic' when the quotes s...

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From Haaretz - another Israeli who asks whether anyone really believes this case wasn't because of racism, and more.. The lies that blur lines The rape conviction of an Arab who posed as a Jew not only reeks of racism, it poses a danger to the distinction between s.ex and sexual violence. By Tsafi S...

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explain how you can justify your statement that Urban's call for Holy War was 'generic' when the quotes show he was calling people to fight for Christ (i.e. join a CHRISTIAN Holy War). Yes, I still maintain that most of the Pope's speech was generic. Replace Jesus with allah , Yahweh, Elohim, Lord ...

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I'm with the camp that the whole thing is being blown out of proportion by both sides - Wikileaks, The Guardian and also the Pentagon. Both sides seem to have an interest in making more of the documents that is actually there. I don't think it is as damaging as the Pentagon says (rhetoric about wiki...

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I can't see why you can't use exactly the same argument to explain your interpretation of ants speaking to Solomon? (Even though there is a rational explanation that does not require giving up science). The Koran doesn't present the story as being miraculous. Huh? You believe the Quran says that an...

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What is 'common knowledge' is that a quoting Fox News story from 7 years (seven years ago!) in reply to a thread about 2010 statistics of terrorist acts shows that herve has no argument left. Yet another epic failure. What has a 7 year old Fox News story got to do with the fact that 99.5% of terrori...

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I rest my case. I've said many times, only loon websites that rely on deliberate misinterpretations and spin believe this loon theory. In the case above, it is a double whammy - Jihadwatch quoting 'Islamophobic cash cow' Raymond. :shock: However, let's not shoot the messengers - there's no need, the...

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LOL - I love your loon fantasies herve, especially when they involve you and statistics. You should write into NBC and Fox etc and get them to correct their news stories that 'Islam is fastest growing religion' and '20,000 Americans convert to Islam each year'. You quoted a loon website who put a se...

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