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Did Solomon crush the villagers? You're asking how is it possible for an army to crush a whole village? May I refer you to the Bible and the descriptions of scorched earth policy carried out by the Israelites - especially the one where 32,000 virgins were taken captive after the rest of the populati...

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I said we can compare Mr 'Islamophobic Cash-cow's interpretation with what has already been posted and quoted. That will continue to be the answer the next few times you ask me the same question. ;) I'm still surprised that you introduce him as a 'friend', quote his loon interpretations and yet can'...

shafique

Given that you don't know - I suggest you do some homework and report back what the loon version of history is on this point. If Guru Bob sets you straight and tells you that you are being a silly boy - and sets you straight that the first slaughter of crusades was indeed done in the name of Christ ...

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Kanelli - my issue is with banning and the lack of choice, and I agree about your ideal solutions too. As for the article and point 4 - I think her example made a valid point, her individuality and means of communication to her students wasn't stifled - and indeed I've read commentators specifically...

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Ah - but isn't it sweet to see some solidarity and support for the young one - he was getting a bit hot under the collar there. The longer the young 'un refuses to answer the question posted 3 (or is 4 now?) threads ago (in the 9/11 thread), the more I suspect it is just a rogue Loon theory on the l...

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This from the guy who posted (a funny one, it has to be said ) poster of 'Chubby Checker' doing the Twist! ;) But, as I said before, enough with the smoke and mirror defence - let's hear what the Loon version of history is and whether Guru Bob or any other loon agrees with eh's version of events tha...

shafique

I have to admit, I'm running out of ways to re-state this simple issue - but I'll still try - but essentially it will be the same points raised early on in this thread: I stated a fact which can be looked up in history books - and I'm happy to give you these references. However, I want to know what ...

shafique

^if it wasn't you who posted the poster - then I apologise for my memory lapse, and take back that point. Now, given that my memory is indeed fallible and that I've conceded that perhaps there is a rogue reference out there that says the first slaugther of the first crusades was NOT done as part of ...

shafique

The issue is that eh made the interesting point that he believes the Crusades weren't primarily a Holy War. He maintains they were political and not religiously motivated - i.e. not a Holy War where killing is justified by religion. He is basing this on some reading of history (or he gives the impre...

shafique

Ahh, the loon selective quote makes another appearance. Does wiki agree with eh that the Crusades were not Holy Wars? But, just for the record, what I said was: I mean, even wiki would be a start (he'd just have to show where Wiki says are the reasons why the Jews were slaughtered and show that it w...

shafique

More smoke and mirrors? Actually, I'm itching to see the references for eh's 'beliefs' - my references and quotes are ready and waiting. The only question will be which historian and historical docs to quote first to counter the loon version of events (if we are ever given them). Happy to engage in ...

shafique

I'm not really sure why you find the simple arguments so hard to comprehend. I said that people are free to compare and contrast the interpretations of Mr Ibrahim with the information posted in the thread linked to. I said this in the first reply above. As for Ibrahim, I'm still amazed that you call...

shafique

Why the reluctance to give us your sources for which you based your belief that the Crusades weren't holy wars? We can then examine them and see what they say concerning the first acts of slaughter by Crusaders were - and test out your theory that they were political and not religiously motivated. I...

shafique

You do like your strange fantasies. First it is Afghan boys and their lurve lives, then it is fantasies about foot wear! :) Look, let me try and move things on a bit - can you at least give me a reference to the Pope's speech (which you say you read) so we can check whether your version actually doe...

shafique

C'mon, admit it - you're just smarting that you've been found out. There's a simple explanation for the verse and you weren't aware of it. Just because you believe that the sun can stop in the sky for a day because the Bible says so, does not mean that the Quran also contains scientific absurdities....

shafique

TJ - I'm with you when it comes to the morality and responsibility of spending money. However, the actions of those who are filthy rich is nothing new. Throughout history when wealth is accumulated disproportionately, the inheritors of that wealth - especially the first few generations - give themse...

shafique

From the Huffington post with some great insights, including: Far from being a fact-based movement, its leaders and thinkers propagate falsehoods and myths towards the discriminatory goal of silencing Muslims in America. ... the hallmarks of this style: “heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and cons...

shafique

Branson and Gates came from reasonably well off homes - both have parents who are/were successful lawyers. Arguably they learnt what was the 'done thing' when it came to money? The peculiar form of snobbery of the monied Anglo-Saxon classes is a fascinating phenomenon. I used to go game shooting whe...

shafique

I thought I was very clear with my precise answers: 1. No science does not support your interpretation of these verses. 2. Al Naml refers to a tribe with that name. I know that believing Solomon could converse with small ants is less bizare than believing the Sun stopped in the sky for a day, but I'...

shafique

(Perhaps you can show us why you think Urban only 'dropped references' of a Holy War in his speech and didn't call for a Holy War. Seems like you're splitting hairs here - if he called for a Holy War, he called for a Holy War. If the first victims slaughtered were slaughtered over religion and not ...

shafique

Again with the strange interpretations. Why not give us the references for the speech you allegedly read and believe shows the Crusades weren't holy wars. I'll happily give you my references in exchange. You increasingly appear to be speaking from an even more remote part of fantasy loon-ville than ...

shafique

Sheesh. These findings are consistent with Bin Laden's own articulations, who has repeatedly stated in online statements, video broadcasts and media interviews with journalists from all religious backgrounds that his war against the West is driven by what he perceives as the West's aggression, viole...

shafique

Well, that is what the Bible says - and just to clarify, eh has confirmed that he does indeed believe that the earth stopped rotating for a day as described by the Bible - and that this was 'a miracle' that can't be explained by science. Bizarely, he does not seem to agree with YEC folk who believe ...

shafique

Are you saying that my explanation is 'nonsense' because it doesn't accord with your interpretation, or because it can't explain what is written? I guess you can't argue that my explanation means I don't have to suspend belief in science. As I said, if we interpret the verse literally then point 1 a...

shafique

I agree - I think the burqa owes more to Middle East custom than to Islamic teaching. In the Middle East, covering one's face was/is indeed a sign of modesty (as well as a practical issue when living in sandy conditions). It was culturally immodest to even display one's ankle in Victorian times in E...

shafique

Apologies if I missed the reference to which version of the speech of Urban you read and your quotes from it. Please link to it again. I'm particularly interested in reading the bits where he 'drops in' references to Holy War, as you say. Could you quote these bits and tell me why you think these ar...

shafique

You're the one claiming that the Crusades weren't Holy Wars but were rather political. I'm just asking for the quotes from the speech you allegedly read (the one where you say Urban 'dropped in' references to a Holy War). If you now agree with me that Urban did call for a Holy War and the Crusades w...

shafique

Thanks eh. I presume you weren't being ironical - so I'll take it you meant the above post. So, let's check with the characteristics I extracted in the first post: Far from being a fact-based movement, its leaders and thinkers propagate falsehoods and myths towards the discriminatory goal of silenci...

shafique

So long as the wars are continuing in those countries, you will see more Islamophobia and mistrust between ethnic/religious groups in the US. So, educating is fine, but until the wars stop, the problem cannot be solved. I would even say that until the whole Israel/Palesting conflict is solved the w...

shafique

I have some sympathy for FD's views actually. The IPC is indeed used as convenient scapegoat/reason for violence and focus of hatred in the Arab/Muslim world. As are cartoons of the Prophet and other issues that are exploited by political types within the clergy. I would disagree that the Sunni/Shia...

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