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shafique

I'm almost convinced RC ;) ...almoust - just a little doubt remaining though, something to do with a thing called 'reality' vs 'fantasies' :) (And why are you going on about WMD in Iraq - surely everyone knows that the reason was regime change and that was what was said at the time was the reason - ...

shafique

Nice attempt at evasion. I'm not asking you about what YOU think about the 'first holocaust' - I mean you have all sorts of weird ideas/beliefs - I asked what the loon version of history gave as the reason for the Christian Crusaders' slaughtering of European Jews as the first slaughters of the Firs...

shafique

So, your problem with the author is that he said something that is true, but is obvious? Strange argument, young man. So - let me return to the interesting question raised by your post above - do all Loons consider Iranians non-Muslims or were you trying in vain to discredit this author? Cheers, Sha...

shafique

Thanks for bringing us back to the original topic eh - and I commend you for not reacting to kanelli's post (although you did ask for it!). What Shahzad said on the video is exactly what this thread is about - and I started the thread with this - and the reasons he gave for the attempted bombing hav...

shafique

Good questions TJ - interestingly there have already been a number of Muslims in space already, the first was a Saudi Prince back in 85, the latest a Malaysian just a few years ago. Fasting times - not an issue, you go by the rules that apply in areas where the sun doesn't rise or set completely (ar...

shafique

First let's get this new belief about Angels and science out of the way, and sort out once and for all your loon logic that has you believing that the sun can stop in the sky for a day 'because the Bible says so' despite this being scientifically absurd - and explaining this away as 'a miracle'. Doe...

shafique

Benjw - I totally agree with you. IF the Quran did contain a scientific absurdity like the sun stopping in the sky for a day, the choice would indeed be to reject science or accept the Quran. I'm glad that, as Prof Abdus Salam points out, we thus far have not had to make this choice between science ...

shafique

Have you not been reading what has been written? Which part of the post above is unclear? But, to be fair, there is the rhetoric about Islam taking over the world - but this does not detract for the reasons for the bombing (he doesn't say the bombing is to spread Islam): The reason for the Tim McVei...

shafique

If you had read my previous posts, you will see that I do indeed stand by my previous statements and have said I can and will provide references to back up all claims. However, you're still evading the relevant point about what loon history gives as the reason for the first acts of slaughter of the ...

shafique

Ok, I'm glad you're taking the time now to clarify respective positions. You believe that the Bible contains scientific absurdities (such as the sun stopping in the sky for a whole day) and say this happened because the Bible says so, and that it is a 'miracle'. My position has been consistent and c...

shafique

Great, I'm glad you're reading the posts carefully.

Do we therefore agree that the reason given by Shazad for his Tim Mcveigh attempt was in retaliation for US bombings overseas?

Does he give this as his reason? Yes or No?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

How many times do I have to say I stand by what I wrote and can indeed provide evidence to back it up. Nothing's happened to any of my claims - especially the main one that Pope Urban explicitly called for a Holy War - and therefore to back it up, I will indeed be quoting words of Pope Urban. (I'll ...

shafique

I agree - it is exceedingly easy from the historical record to show that Pope Urban called for a Holy War. Now, the question becomes what to do the loons say the reasons were for the first acts of slaughter of the Christian Crusaders (that of European Jews) was? Was it political or done 'in the name...

shafique

What's the matter young loon? Not happy that you've been exposed as a hypocrite for believing the Bible contains scientific absurdities and now desperately trying to show that if we squint, look sideways and chant loon songs we'll find the same in the Quran? :) Anyway - so you want to talk about tal...

shafique

Was the question difficult?

Do we therefore agree that the reason given by Shazad for his Tim Mcveigh attempt was in retaliation for US bombings overseas?

Does he give this as his reason? Yes or No?

Yes or No?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So, let me repeat my question to you. What does the loon version of history say is the reason behind the first acts of slaughter by the Christian crusaders? I can indeed show that Crusaders slaughtered 'in the name of Christ' and as acts of piety/penance - and the first victims were the Jews of Euro...

shafique

Sure thing.

As I said, once we have your version of history about why the Crusaders slaughtered the Jews of Europe, we can then indeed compare that against what the Historical record actually says.

I wonder if it is possible to avoid the same question in 3 different threads!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I stated a fact which can be looked up in history books - and I'm happy to give you these references. However, I want to know what your loon alternative reality is based on. I suspect it is just wishful thinking on your part. I've asked you the same question in 3 different threads - and as it relate...

shafique

Yes or no - young loon, yes or no. You're squirming again. Actually, to cut this short - your answer is clearly: "Yes, Shahzad did say the bombing was in retaliation for US bombing BUT my loon point of view does not allow me to acknowledge this and I will continue to hold on to my cherished hat...

shafique

Ah, I think it is sweet. Raymond Ibrahim is the equivalent of loon comfort food. So here we have a young loon starting in the thread : http://www.dubaiforums.com/dubai-politics-talk/religious-basis-for-muslim-view-t42622.html arguing that Al Qaeda is indeed waging a Holy War. Then starts two new thr...

shafique

Ah, first quoting Ibrahim now accusing me of lying. :) Young loon - just answer the question and I'll provide you with the references and then you can call me a liar to heart's content. Until then, it appears that you just don't want to put your money where your mouth is and tell us what the loon re...

shafique

You really must learn to read what is written more closely.

Loonwatch - the site that reports on activities of Loons.

Raymond Ibrahim - prime loon.

Will you defend Mr Ibrahim's reputation this time round? Is there no honour among loons?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

The references are waiting for you to answer the question about what YOUR loon version of history is and what it is based on. I mean, if I am going to be just countering fantasies dreamt up by the likes of Mr Ibrahim or your friend Guru Bob, and not actual historical documents or historians - then I...

shafique

Let me know what you find confusing with the two numbered responses I gave. Please let's not have another round of you imagining things and asking me to justify your fantasies. It gets a bit weary at times. I understand you're still smarting from having to admit that the Bible does contain scientifi...

shafique

Because you are the one who says that the Crusades weren't a Holy War and so let's establish what the Loon version of history gives as the reason for the first slaughter of the crusades and establish whether you're just a rogue loon for believing the crusades weren't a holy war or whether you are ba...

shafique

So, you're not going to defend the 'Islamophobic cash cow'.

I guess there is no honour among loons after all!

(I refer you to my first reply above for the response to Ibrahim's interpretations)

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

We're getting there.

Science does not indeed support your interpretation of the Quran. Check.

Yes, 'Al Naml' refers to a tribe's name (of people).

Well done - you understood.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Sigh. Re-read my first post.

So, how friendly are you with Mr Ibrahim?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

You could have just said you don't know or plead the 5th (knowing that the answer will incriminate you).

What is it with loons and their fantasies? You're not going to start a new thread and start quoting Guru Bob instead of answering the question are you??

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I also read that he said that his nickname is Dudu - so even that wasn't a lie. As far as can be seen, I think the only crime was saying he was single. Now, as far as I know - shagging someone you've just met on the street is not in the Torah, so one can't really blame the Jewish religion for the la...

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