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I see you've edited your answers since I posted my post. Well, feel free to quote Benny in your answers, and then I'll tell you whether I think he's wrong or not. Edit - I agree that Helen's idea that the immigrants should leave is indeed Kooky. Just because the immigrants have caused trouble doesn'...

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Quote me correctly please: I did. You edited it afterwards - see my post above which deals with this point explicitly. So, let's examine question 1: 1. Do you agree that the up to 250 slaughtered at Deir Yassin was carried out by Jewish Terrorists Ans: No. So, the slaughter was not carried out by J...

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Ok, here's Benny's quote. Most of Palestine's 700,000 "refugees" fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders). But it is also true that there were several dozen sites, including ...

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^We should send in the Turks, Malaysian and Irish (and the UN). (seriously)

Cheers,
Shafique

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'Up to 250' included a figure of 110. Sorry if that usage of English was not clear to you. Yes, also up to ten thousand. My answer therefore still stands. 1. Do you agree that the up to 250 slaughtered at Deir Yassin was carried out by Jewish Terrorists Ans: No, I agree with Benny.. Why are you ref...

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Flying Dutchman asked whether Arabs condemned the Arab pogroms against Jews -given that the Haganah (pre-cursors of the Israeli army) denounced the massacre at Deir Yassin in 1948 (where civilians, including women and children were slaughtered by the Irgun, whose leader stated that this was done par...

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See thread about 1921 Jaffa riots (as the Jewish Virtual Library calls them) - indeed, I could not find Arab condemnation on the web of the attacks against Jewish civilians by Arabs. It is noted there that the attacks were against immigrants from Europe, including an influx of 67,000 in 1924 after p...

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Jewish immigrants in that period were legal immigrants AFAIK. Yes, the Brits were shipping in the Europeans and as they were the rulers of Palestine, the immigration was indeed legal. As for Arab migration from other parts of British Ruled parts of the region - this would only be illegal if there w...

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Ok, I've had a look at the report: http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/E3ED8720F8707C9385256D19004F057C Firstly, what is immediately apparent, is that Palestine existed before 1948. The report is about Palestine, mentions it in detail (describing the areas, geography etc), makes it clear it is disti...

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And Deir Yassin? That wasn't carried out by Israeli soldiers - but by Jewish terrorists, I'd argue. Do you agree? Nope, the operation was carried out by members of the Irgun and the Stern gang, not members of the Haganah. FAIL. Epic FAIL. Re-read what I wrote - I said that the massacre of Palestini...

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Thanks for confirming that Jewish immigration was legal, while Arab illegal immigration was substantial. The report highlights that not all of the Jewish immigration was legal. It cites an example of Yemenite Jews entering on 'Travellers' visas and then staying on - so those examples would be illeg...

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FD - sorry, I know I posted a lot yesterday and it is easy to over look specific questions I asked you. But this one is still hanging (and I referred to the point in my reply to eh above): Why are you refusing to say whether you agree that the Jewish killers of Deir Yassin who slaughtered up to 110 ...

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Ok, some sensible news from the boys in green. The international community is clear that the 22% of Palestine (pre-1948) that Israel occupied in 1967 is not part of Israel and is 'occupied territory'. There are responsibilities under International Law for the occupiers (eg. you cant evict people fro...

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Welcome Eileen. Firstly, let me give you a 'Mod' message: You appear to have posted the same post in two different threads. Please choose which one you wish to keep and which one you want to delete (as the later post seems to have slightly different intro). You should be able to edit and delete your...

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You keep on changing the question after I answer it. But OK, since you are so interested in my opinion. Lets me start by saying I join you in condemning the killing of civilians. Deir Yassin I consider a war crime, as Benny Morris does. Arab progroms against Jews (which happened before Deir Yassin)...

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I'm actually looking forward to seeing how this all plays out now. What will be interesting is: 1. Who conducts the enquiry (Israel proposing Israelis choose the panelists - at least it is not proposing a military-only enqiry) 2. What the conclusions are (and arguments used) 3. Whether the Gaza sieg...

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The hijacking of the truth: Film evidence 'destroyed' 06.06.2010 | The Independent Protesters say Israel had an assassination list. Israel says soldiers fired only in self-defence. So what really happened on 31 May? Catrina Stewart reports Turkish activists aboard the Mavi Marmara don lifejackets a...

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Well, if we now agree that the conflict is over land and not religion, then we have indeed made progress. As I said, I have to thank you for introducing me to the Hope Simpson report and uncovering what it said was happening in 1930 - with Arabs and European Jewish immigrants living side by side in ...

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Eyewitness account of the journalist Jamal Elshayyal : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cQ69oKFtVg&feature=player_embedded#! And here's a print interview with the same journalist: Kidnapped by Israel and abandoned by Britain 06.06.2010 | The Indendent I joined the Mavi Marmara in Istanbul on Frid...

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You are welcome. I realize you still have a lot to learn. Indeed, the more I read, the more I realise how much there is still to learn - seriously. Hey, as I said, I didn't know that the report graphically showed the difference between European Jews who emigrated from the 1880s onwards to Palestine...

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Thanks for highlighting that efforts are indeed being made to "reclaim the Prophet Muhammad as a time-honoured guide for peace, compassion and social justice from those who seek to twist his teachings". Some 60% admitted they did not know much about the religion, but a third said they woul...

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^Strawman. The UN resolutions call for a just solution to the refugee issue - and this can indeed include who is classed as a refugee. The surivors and descendants of Deir Yassin, for example, would clearly be refugees and certainly could show they resided in their village for more than 2 years. In ...

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Well, Iran went from being their 'bestest friend' to the 'devil', I see that Turkey is starting to go through that transformation in the Israeli zeitgeist.

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..and then cried about seeing terrorists with rifles before shooting 9 dead. ;) BTW - what happened to this story about a rifle? Is this another case of early misinformation that vanishes under closer inspection? Someone also should tell the US that the IHH has links to Al Qaeda as the Israelis all...

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Before reading the report, I didn't know about PICA. from pg50: THE EFFECT OF THE JEWISH SETTLEMENT ON THE ARAB. P.I.C.A.'s relations with the Arab.In discussing the question of the effect of Jewish Settlement on the Arab it is essential to differentiate between the P.I.C.A. colonisation and that of...

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Yes, it is interesting that there seems to be such a difference between the two groups, the report does mention that the PICA was set up by the Rothchilds and started in the 1880s IIRC. I guess we need to look beyond labels at actual actions, so it is arguable that the PICA colonists were Zionists, ...

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Bora - you've gotta understand that a troll repellant has been applied to the Religious forum for a few weeks now - it's proving quite effective.

I think this is arguably political, but also has a bit of a sniff of eau de trole about it too.

shafique

Impressive virtual tour Berrin -thanks for the link.

The documentary shows how there's a lot of maths behind the proportions in the buildings, and makes the point that under Muslim rule the place was draped with silks etc - and would have been even more impressive.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Sigh, did you read the last exchange FD and I had above - it addresses the differences between the Zionists who decided to live separately from the Arabs and the European Jewish Colonists who didn't. The quote from the report is above and even highlighted in blue. Therefore, in the 1930s, you alread...

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It's funny that you're quoting the results of survey on opinions of Islam, when the majority admit they know little about the religion. As I said, great that you've picked up a positive story about Muslims taking action to counteract the wrong orientalist and quaint views that you believe are fact. ...

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