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How many times do I have to tell you that I don't share your weird interpretations of what God says in scripture? God does not say the Sun orbits the earth - just that it rises and sets, but I guess you'll ask me to prove that the Sun actually rises and sets next! Now, how about my question to you: ...

shafique

I've been pretty clear that I don't condemn acts of God. If someone causes harm to another person - then it isn't an act of God. Israelites enslaving and raping virgins and slaughtering their families in cold blood is certainly not an act of God, but you seem to be arguing that we should consider it...

shafique

Well, given your active imagination - it could mean all manner of things. However, to show that God allows s.ex outside of marriage or condones adultery, you'd have to look at what God says about adultery and s.ex outside of marriage. Simple logic really. All Mouth, No Trousers - again. Cheers, Shaf...

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We've already agreed that you don't agree with Dawkins over the issue of Ibrahim being a religious fanatic - Really? When did you quote what Dawkins has to say about Abraham not sacrificing his son? Are you confusing me with someone else? In this thread, I've quoted Dawkins giving his opinion of th...

shafique

You and your fantasies again. :roll: So, Israel breaks international law in East Jerusalem and blames the victims. The fanbois blame the Muslims - and ignore the fact that Christian and Muslim Palestinians are protesting against Israel's illegal annexation. And the retort... 'you are ok with Muslim...

shafique

:idea: Indeed. No, seriously - I am not familiar with the Austrian school at all. I studied economics - but we covered only Keynesian and Monetarist theories - and not to a great deal of depth. I remember the authors of the text book we used ' borne fischer and dornbusch' but don't recall the name o...

shafique

Well, looks like at least 3 of us agree. Keep it real.

It goes to show though - those 'anti-globalisation' protestors that were so demonised in the press, haven't they been proved right?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

1. Your weird interpretations are what I'm terming 'fantasies' 2. Israel is breaking international law in East Jerusalem - that is what is making the actions illegal. Conquests carried out before these laws were enacted (eg America, Australia, South Africa, South America, England etc etc - all carri...

shafique

I've already said that in later Muslim jurisdictions Harems and concubines were indeed enjoyed by 'Muslim' rulers. Notably the Mughals - who also justified drinking alcohol and other hedonistic practices. Some of the rulers were more religious than others, but as with all scripture - we have example...

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So you're not aware of any genocides in what is now USA? Hmm - sounds like a new thread to me. But I'm still fascinated that you're not denying your a bigger religious fanatic than Al Qaeda and not denying the fact Israel is breaking the law in East Jerusalem - but seem to be wanting to live in the ...

shafique

Well, it is a pretty categoric statement by Kung.

Se.xual intercourse outside of marriage is not allowed.

Fundamentally undermines your view that Islam allows adultery.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Nice imagination. Where does God say the sun and moon are subservient to the earth? Read it again - the sun and the moon are subservient is all God says. They obey God's laws - i.e. the laws of nature. Pretty much what science says. Are you really questioning the fact that there are solar and lunar ...

shafique

Ah, I didn't take long for you to invoke your 'sheikhdom' and declare yourself a greater scholar of Islam than Prof Hans Kung. I was betting it would take a few more posts - but hey, you surprised me by bringing your beliefs in a bit sooner than I expected. It does appear you really, really enjoy li...

shafique

Ok - so you don't think that someone who puts his own son on an altar, binds him, has a dagger held tight in his hand, ready to pounce on his son because a voice in his head told him to do so, is a religious extremist. I'm waiting for you to quote Dawkins on the subject. (All mouth, no trousers - a...

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So, there were no genocides after the settlers declared independence? Hmmm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history#United_States_of_America Still a fascinating view of history and one I'll be happy to see you prove. (As well as your desire to compare numbers - perhaps this time you'll get...

shafique

Sorry, the verse does not say the sun the orbits the earth. (I didn't check to see whether the translations have 'to you' in it - I was taking your translation above with the words in brackets at face value). Read to the end of the verse 14.33- the night and day are also subservient. And He has also...

shafique

And let's look at 13.2: Allah is He Who raised up the heavens without any pillars that you can see. Then He settled Himself on the Throne. And He pressed the sun and the moon into service: each pursues its course until an appointed term. He regulates it all. He clearly explains the Signs, that you m...

shafique

I'm waiting for you to quote Dawkins on the subject. (All mouth, no trousers - again?). When you do, I may agree or disagree with his views on Abraham not sacrificing his son. In the meantime, the questions to you remain: So, just to be clear - the two points we're waiting for you replies to are: 1...

shafique

Yes, I said I took your quote at face value and then pasted what the translations actually say - I should have learnt to actually check your references before trusting your spin! I see you are asking more questions.. may I ask if you ever intend to answer my question: Do you believe the Bible when i...

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Interestingly, the link I gave above also has this quote : The Old Testament describes the genocides of Amalekites and Midianites.[8] Jones quotes Jerusalem-based Holocaust Studies Professor Yehuda Bauer: "As a Jew, I must live with the fact that the civilization I inherited ... encompasses the...

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God is pretty clear - Sun and Moon follow their courses. Bible says, Sun stopped in its tracks. Do you believe the Bible when it says that the sun was stopped in it's course? Did the earth really stop rotating? (I predict you will not want to answer these questions - but go on, tell us whether the B...

shafique

Well, back to the subject of East Jerusalem protests.

The Israeli regime has been caught out in a lie:
http://coteret.com/2010/03/15/yediot-ex ... -protests/

shafique

eh - the war crime you are condoning is described as genocide here: The Old Testament describes the genocides of Amalekites and Midianites.[8] Jones quotes Jerusalem-based Holocaust Studies Professor Yehuda Bauer: "As a Jew, I must live with the fact that the civilization I inherited ... encomp...

shafique

Morality is indeed subjective. I mean, I personally think that it is horrendous today to condone the enslavement and rape of virgins, whether it is in Uganda by the Christian terrorist group LRA or when condoning the actions of Israelites described in the Bible. The fact that some people condone the...

shafique

You don't seem to have addressed the point I've made a few times - the same mechanisms you describe can operate where no interest is earned/charged, but where profits from investments are shared. (But if you have and I've missed it - apologies) Isn't it the case that the bank is taking a guaranteed ...

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Five women interviewed by the BBC - a range of opinions and some views/facts which may surprise.. Women in Gaza: Life under Hamas The announcement of recent restrictions to stop male hairdressers from cutting women's hair in the Gaza Strip appears to be the latest step by the ruling Islamist group, ...

shafique

I'm waiting for you to quote Dawkins on the subject. (All mouth, no trousers - again?) . When you do, I may agree or disagree with his views on Abraham not sacrificing his son. In the meantime, the questions to you remain: So, just to be clear - the two points we're waiting for you replies to are: ...

shafique

See pgs 87 to 91 of Kung's book: http://www.scribd.com/doc/6387447/Islam-Past-Present-and-Future 'The common belief in God in the three Abrahamic religions' He quotes the Quran there and gives you the references for the attributes of God. Rahman, as we've pointed out before, is also dealt with. The...

shafique

:mrgreen: Did you flunk science at school? Education these days :roll: Relative to any point on earth, the sun rises and sets each day (by definition) and also traces a path in the sky over the solar year. The science of astronomy enables us to calculate pretty exactly where in the sky the sun will ...

shafique

Nope, Kung is pretty categoric:

Se.xual intercourse outside of marriage is not allowed.

Fundamentally undermines your view that Islam allows adultery.

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