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I disagree with Dawkins when he generally makes the point that teaching any child religion is akin to child abuse. I also don't share his views about Abraham you describe either (but if you can post his actual words, I can be more specific and categoric). However, the question I asked you was over t...

shafique

I've repeatedly stated that you need to tackle your initial allegation that God allows adultery in Islam by quoting the verses where God talks about adultery. You have thus far failed to do that. I've tackled this verse head on by stating it does not say s.ex outside marriage is ok. Ergo, All Mouth,...

shafique

You're not avoiding the question are you eh? Surely not.

shafique wrote:
So, I condemn cold blooded massacres and enslavements of virgins - but you don't.

Are you proud to be more extreme than Bin Laden?

shafique

Talking about not condoning actions - you remain the only person this forum (well, perhaps Chev-the-chav will come out and support your view) so far who condones the cold blooded slaughter of civilians and the enslavement of virgins - as described in the Bible. You say this is ok as long as God orde...

shafique

Yes, I understand you've clearly stated your belief about Islam and adultery. My comments about 'All Mouth, No Trousers' relates to your inability to address what God actually says about adultery and your reliance on a verse which does not say that Muslims may have s.ex outside of marriage. What did...

shafique

So, you do or don't disagree with Dawkins' view that Ibrahim was a religious fanatic and mentally abused his son when he attempted to sacrifice him? Was my answer unclear: I also don't share his views about Abraham you describe either (but if you can post his actual words, I can be more specific an...

shafique

I understand you have a logic to equate the enslavement of virgins and their rape with natural disasters. I just happen to not share this view - and think it rather perverse a way to justify murder and rape by Israelites. The question though was whether you acknowledge you are more extreme than Al Q...

shafique

As enjoyable as this discussion is - it is so off topic now (as RC implies), please could you start a new thread.

I'll happily join in where I've got something to add or clarify - but you knew that anyway, didn't you.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Yeah, yeah - blame the victims - as usual. It's not the Palestinians that are breaking international law by annexing East Jerusalem, is it? As for the death penalty for acts of treason - that's in many country's statute books to this day, and the death penalty is given if the act of selling land is ...

shafique

Ok - that's my reading sorted out for tomorrow morning then!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Yes, Israeli actions in illegally annexed Jerusalem were provocative and did lead to riots. Christian and Muslim Palestinians object to the Israeli annexation of East Jerusalem (not least because it is illegal) - and both denounce the attempts to consolidate the illegal annexation. Of course, it is ...

shafique

I think Kung would take out Craig in a celebrity death match.

shafique

You seem to be confusing your fantasies with a simple request to quote what God has to say about adultery if you want to back up your claim that Islam allows adultery.

All Mouth... you know the rest..

shafique

Hey, if you can pick and choose what parts of the Bible to believe - why can't I? So, do you have any disagreement with what Dawkins says in the quotes above. Let me repeat it, just so you can read it again before I give you the next set of quotes for you to accept/deny: “The God of the Old Testamen...

shafique

I understand you have a logic to equate the enslavement of virgins and their rape with natural disasters. I just happen to not share this view - and think it rather perverse a way to justify murder and rape by Israelites. The question though was whether you acknowledge you are more extreme than Al ...

shafique

You really like living in the orientalist past don't you eh? In the 20th and 21st century you will find that it is a colonial Israel that is being opposed by Christian and Muslim Palestinians - as well as well-meaning Israelis who are also against oppression. Your fantasy world of Muslim fanatics (w...

shafique

eh enjoys living in denial.

shafique

You say Islam allows adultery, yet avoid the verses where God talks about adultery.

All Mouth...

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I've already answered your question about what you say Dawkins says about Abraham. I said I disagree with what you say he says. The question now is whether you challenge or agree with what I've quoted above concerning the OT. If you have no objections - then I'll move on to the next quote from God d...

shafique

Yes, an earthquake is a natural disaster. (Duh?) I'm also having absolutely no problem asking you the question you're studiously avoiding about war crimes you condone: I understand you have a logic to equate the enslavement of virgins and their rape with natural disasters. I just happen to not share...

shafique

Still not quoting what God says about adultery, but now seeking to change the definition of adultery. Hmmm. All mouth, no trousers indeed. How fun it is to watch eh caught out in another fantasy! :bigsmurf: It should have been quite straightforward to quote God saying that s.ex outside marriage is o...

shafique

Cool, so what specifically do you disagree with Dawkins on then in the quote given? I happen to agree with the list he gives- so let's clarify this quote before I move on to the next one. I've numbered his list of characteristics - let me know which ones you disagree with and why (and perhaps we can...

shafique

Yes. Just read Kung, he'll clarify why Craig and you are clinging to this old misconception that relies on selective quotes. If you want to disregard what modern day Christian theologians conclude, that's really you're problem. God clearly states in the Quran that He is most Forgiving and Most Graci...

shafique

Which numbered allegation do you think is based on Abraham's actions?

Why is his conclusion wrong for these characteristics?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Nope.

Just pointing out the funny fact that your claim that God allows s.ex outside marriage is not supported by the Quran, precisely because the God forbids adultery and does not say in the verse you keep repeating that Muslims can have s.ex outside marriage.

All Mouth. No Trousers. Again.

shafique

All Mouth, No Trouser - again. No Muslim scientist has been chastised by Muslim clerics for stating the fact the earth orbits the sun despite the fact that relative to the earth the sun rises and sets, as does the moon. You're confusing the Catholic church with Islam eh - please try and keep your st...

shafique

shafique wrote:Just read Kung, he'll clarify why Craig and you are clinging to this old misconception that relies on selective quotes.

I couldn't make it more simpler.

shafique

So, I hope you're not arguing that the Christian Palestinians and Israeli and foreign peace activists are now all following the Quran now are they! (Well, in a way they are - for God instructs all people to protest against injustice - but I'm not sure the Christians etc are doing it because of the Q...

shafique

Jail ordeal of hundreds of Palestinian children arrested for throwing stones 14 March 2010 | The Guardian Rights groups express concern at the rising number of juveniles as young as 12 who are held behind bars and ‘treated like terrorists’ With more than 300 Palestinian children being held in Israel...

shafique

Take the current situation for instance. Interest rates are near zero in the US. Thats equal to interest rates being absent, so banks get to obtain money free of charge at the FED. But Rob - in the 'Islamic system' the same rules will apply to the FED - why would they lend money to banks at no inte...

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