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You could simply have said: 'No, I refuse to quote what Prof Hans Kung has to say on the subject because I want to continue living in the past.' So, yet another quaint belief to add to your growing list. You think it's ok to enslave virgins and slaughter their families in cold blood in the name of r...

shafique

Thanks for confirming that you do considet the LRA as Christians (and Ahmadis as Muslims) - despite the fact that Christians and Muslims denounce the respective groups as nonIChristian and non-Muslim. So, you are arguing that the LRA are Christian terrorists - who cause terror because of a misinterp...

shafique

A couple more questions - 1. Given that the LRA are Christians and therefore believe in Jesus as their saviour - is your contention that they are loved by God and will go to heaven despite the fact they kill and enslave civilians (notably children - including virgins who they rape) - crimes you cond...

shafique

As I keep saying, your refusal to quote modern day theologians who laugh at your orientalist views is damning. You have to live in the past and attack a strawman - the God of Islam is no different from the God of the Bible. You've quoted Prof Hans Kung before - so why not acknowledge his conclusions...

shafique

The question is not what the Quran says - but rather why you reject what the Bible has to say regarding Pilate not being responsible for killing Jesus. The Quran is quite clear that the responsibility for Jesus' crucifixion is the Jews - but it just states they weren't successful in carrying out the...

shafique

Do you accept you are more radical than Al Qaeda and are you proud of this?

shafique wrote:Yes, you are quite clear about why you are more extreme in your views than Al Qaeda, I asked whether you accepted this fact and whether you were proud of being more radical than they are?

shafique

Can someone summarise for me what's been agreed?

Was the attack a war crime or not? (I think FD states it wasn't - but is this just a 'belief')

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Just a recommendation for this book - eye opening treatment of many of the issues that keep popping up in this forum. Thanks to RobbyG for recommending this. I've just finished it and there's just too many interesting pieces of info in it - so I just recommend people to read it. Over time, perhaps w...

shafique

That's what I thought - pretty conclusive evidence.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Good points Berrin. However, what is unquestionable is that eh is the only one here who is condoning the enslavement of virgins for the use of the ones who slaughtered their families. This is done today in the name of religion by the "Lords Resistance Army" in Uganda - and eh insists these...

shafique

Hey Berrin - perhaps eh thinks we all have female slaves!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Leave him alone Berrin - he has to try and overcome the numbers killed by the Lords Resistance Army, a group he insists are Christian Terrorists. So far, he is still very far short. (It's also a function of the fact he's had to admit defeat in the count of Convert terrorists - where his count still ...

shafique

Hey Berrin - perhaps eh thinks we all have female slaves! :) Cheers, Shafique Do you agree or disagree with the facts that a Muslim master may take concubines (have relations outside of marriage)? I've been pretty clear - Islam does not allow s.ex outside of marriage - i.e. it does not condone adul...

shafique

As I keep saying, your refusal to quote modern day theologians who laugh at your orientalist views is damning. You have to live in the past and attack a strawman - the God of Islam is no different from the God of the Bible. You've quoted Prof Hans Kung before - so why not acknowledge his conclusion...

shafique

eh quoted Dawkins recently talking about Muslims who believe God created the universe. I said I would ask 'eh's views on other aspects of Dawkin's work - notably what he has to say about the Bible in his book 'The God Delusion'. I'll start with a quote about the Old Testament where he sums up the Go...

shafique

Interesting the diversionary tactics of asking what the Quran says on the subject! The Quran doesn't condone the crimes committed by the Israelites - does it eh? However, what is unquestionable is that eh is the only one here who is condoning the enslavement of virgins for the use of the ones who sl...

shafique

That's a cool video!

A quick question - and I apologise for the tangent - but shouldn't true free-market liberals argue that interest rates and exchange rates be set by the market? If both are free floating, then the market will decide where to invest etc?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So you are saying that we are being hypocritical for not joining you and condoning the enslavement of virgins!!

Wow, you are indeed more extreme than Bin Laden.

You haven't told us whether you are proud of this fact though.

shafique

Happy to address what Dawkins has to say about the Quran separately. I asked whether you agreed with the quotes I gave above though - and if not, which particular attribute of the OT Biblical God do you disagree with (and why)? The quote about morality is indeed a valid one - but one we are explorin...

shafique

Are you scared of quoting what Kung concludes?

Re-quoting guys who live in the past won't help you much - my point is that their views are outdated.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Au contraire mon ami - I'm tackling head on your initial allegation that Islam condones adultery by pointing out the fact that God does not condone any s.ex outside of marriage and noting the fact you still refuse to quote the verses where God talks about adultery. All Mouth, No Trousers - yet again...

shafique

Hey, on this one I'm with you chav! I'd have to say though, baseball (glorified rounders) is as boring - as is American Football - I mean they have to put cheerleaders on and keep stopping the game so the Yanks can fill their mouths with hot dogs! They drag on a relatively short game and drag it on ...

shafique

To be fair to Dawkins, let me give the second quotation the full context: To be fair, much of the Bible is not systematically evil but just plain weird, as you would expect of a chaotically cobbled-together anthology of disjointed documents, composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by...

shafique

A fascinating discussion guys - keep it up.

I'm not familiar with Hayek's theories (so something else to read up on).

What is his view on free movement of labour?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

chav - I guess you and your boyfriend need to be extra careful when you visit Dubai from now on! Holding hands ok, hanky-panky on the beach - no.

shafique

Just a quick aside for you RobbyG concerning the Shariah law comment - under Shariah, the principle is that leniency is shown to the borrower by default - the loan is only repayable if the borrower can afford to pay back and the risk of default lies squarely with the lender - hence it encourages res...

shafique

Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. I keep bringing you back to the fact that your assertion that God allows s.ex outside marriage is based on just a fantasy that requires you to ignore what God actually says about adultery. To date, you have failed to even quote these verses. All Mouth, No T...

shafique

I keep telling you, repeating the outdated views of orientalists won't change the fact you're living in the past.

Are you really that afraid of quoting Kung's conclusions?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Oh, don't worry - we'll get to the NT in due course. As I said before, I'm happy to tackle any claims he makes about the Quran separately - but the quotes above are about the Biblical accounts. I asked whether you disputed any of the conclusions that Dawkins listed above. If you don't, I'll move on ...

shafique

I said I don't condemn any acts of God - such as cancer, hurricanes, plagues etc - they are just that, acts of God. I asked whether you are proud to be more extreme than Al Qaeda - they don't condone the enslavement of virgins as carried out by the Israelites in the Bible (but the LRA do and actuall...

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