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No it doesn't.

You really shouldn't take Ibrahim's word for these things. Tut tut.

See previous reference to 'tired canaries'.

BTW, how many Muslims do you know who have slave girls today?

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Shafique

shafique

Here's another angle you could pursue 'eh' - why don't you quote what God has to say about s.ex outside marriage. You have to agree He addresses the topic head on in the Quran, doesn't He?

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Shafique

shafique

So, you won't condemn the Israeli war crimes.

Interesting.

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Shafique

shafique

Great, I'm glad my view that it wasn't a crime registered with you. In a way, I'm sort of relieved I do have a different perspective on what constitutes a war crime than you - for example, I would be mortified if I had your view that it was ok to enslave and rape 32,000 virgins and slaughter men and...

shafique

Well, if you do condemn Israeli war crimes - why don't you just state this fact.

You don't condemn the Israelites when they butchered women etc and enslaved virgins, so I guess you are being consistent by not condemning more recent war crimes.

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Shafique

shafique

Why beat about the bush? - God has issued clear instructions regarding adultery. Why don't you quote those verses?

Is it because the 'tired canary' arguments rely on quotes out of context?

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Shafique

shafique

You say it is ok for Israelite to slaughter civilians and enslave/rape 32,000 virgins. I asked whether you condemned (or even acknowledged) the war crime carried out in the 60's when the Israelies violated international law and evicted Muslims from their homes in the Maghreb quarter. Your silence wa...

shafique

So, when the Israelites were raping the virgins (I'm guessing that 32,000 virgins weren't left 'untouched') were they doing 'God's work' in your mind? Or when the Israelites were killing the virgins' brothers, fathers, mothers and friends -this was all doing 'God's work'? You see no difference betwe...

shafique

So, you're a racist hypocrite in denial?

But seriously, why don't you answer the question:

Is it only massacres carried out by Jewish people that you support, or do you only condemn massacres carried out by Muslims or Allah?

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Shafique

shafique

So you agree that there is a difference between terrorism and the concept of a 'Just War' (a concept not unknown in Christianity either)? However, I'm intrigued as to whether you actually read the article above (or the fatwa). Is there anything specific in his fatwa that you dispute - from a theolog...

shafique

^ You're right FD - that's one crime Israel doesn't commit.

It will be interesting to see how the 'but you look Israeli and we won't let you in' will work in practice!

Also interesting to read 'eh' contrast 'Israeli' with 'Muslim' in his last paragraph:?

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Shafique

shafique

When I said you were using Ibrahim's technique of quoting Quranic verses out of context, to what verse did you think I was referring to? If you contend that Islam allows adultery, why don't you quote the verses where God talks about adultery? Could it be because it would show you're taking verses ou...

shafique

It was a simple question - given that you are ok with Israelites slaughtering civilians and enslaving/raping 32,000 virgins, why would I not assume you condone Israeli war crimes when you presented excuses for their actions rather than condemn them? So, do you or do you not condemn (or even acknowle...

shafique

It is fascinating that you are equating Israelites massacring civilians and enslaving/raping 32,000 virgins with Angels!

I can't see any difference between you and other religious fanatics that glorify acts of terrorism and think they'll be rewarded for killing civilians.

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Shafique

shafique

My question wasn't rhetorical.

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Shafique

shafique

The article says that Al Qaeda don't have a leg to stand on, theologically. Pretty much like you on the subject then. Another classic example of 'All Mouth, No Trousers' - especially as I note you haven't actually conceded that you've read the article above, let alone the fatwa itself! But let me qu...

shafique

As I said above - I wonder how they are going to put into practice, and I can't help thinking whether this is just a sop to the 'home crowd' given that they can't actually stop people with dual nationality coming in (unless they have a database of all Israelis...?) Perhaps they should just have ever...

shafique

Yawn.

Did you even read the article or just my quote? When you read the fatwa itself, perhaps then you'll be in a better position to question whether it addresses your 'tired canary'/'quaint belief' or not.

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Shafique

shafique

When Germany starts criticising Israel, you know things aren't going well for our neighbourhood nuclear power! Der Spiegel is reporting that Germany has opened up a murder investigation into the Mossad assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. In addition to looking into whether documents were fraudulent...

shafique

shafique wrote:Over to you, stop whining and have the courage of your convictions and come out with with whether you condemn Israeli war crimes in the 20th century as well as supporting war crimes in antiquity.

shafique

To me, your refusal to answer this question indicates that you may also be a racist as well as being a relgious fanatic: Is it only massacres carried out by Jewish people that you support, or do you only condemn massacres carried out by Muslims or Allah? I mean, you don't condemn Baruch Golstein whe...

shafique

Over to you, stop whining and have the courage of your convictions and come out with with whether you condemn Israeli war crimes in the 20th century as well as supporting war crimes in antiquity. I said I'm glad you started a thread on Quranic war crimes, this means we can contrast it with the Bibl...

shafique

Such a long post to some brief questions: Is it only massacres carried out by Jewish people that you support, or do you only condemn massacres carried out by Muslims or Allah? and Over to you, stop whining and have the courage of your convictions and come out with with whether you condemn Israeli wa...

shafique

Still avoiding the question I see. For me, I see a very big (I mean BIG) difference between cold blooded murders of civilians by people and any act of God where civilians are killed. I would not call the murderers of children and enslavers of virgins as 'angel like' - but religious fanatics do have ...

shafique

I've done my bit - it's over to you now to back up your claims about the fatwa (which seems weird now it is clear you haven't actually read it - or even admitted to reading the article even). Ad hominem attacks won't disguise the fact you've tried to issue a fatwa without actually reading the eviden...

shafique

Didn't Sharon move his lips when he visited Temple Mount on September 28, 2000? Was he breaking the law as well as being provocative? :shock: Anyway, let's see whether eh answers the questions I posed about whether he condemns the 1967 war crime committed by Israel when they bulldozed homes and evic...

shafique

:D Indeed. Ok, to humour event, let's take another look at the exchange he refers to above and see whether the accusation of serial lying applies. Let's start with my initial question to eh: To answer your direct question - no, I don't see the restriction of Pagans from worshipping at the Kaaba to b...

shafique

Bump: Still avoiding the question I see. For me, I see a very big (I mean BIG) difference between cold blooded murders of civilians by people and any act of God where civilians are killed. I would not call the murderers of children and enslavers of virgins as 'angel like' - but religious fanatics do...

shafique

Probably something to do with Iran, is my guess.

USS Liberty - well that's going to be an interesting thread - I wonder if someone will say 'but god told them to do it' so it's all ok!

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shafique

shafique

How can I put this bluntly? NO I DO NOT CONDONE THE MURDER OF CIVILIANS IN COLD BLOOD - no argument will persuade me in joining you in excusing the crimes of the Israelites nor will I agree they are angelic. Where is there any record of angels enslaving and raping virgins? And, no I don't condemn an...

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