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By rape of Africa I was referring to the carve up of Africa by colonial powers and the raping of the natural resources. The Atlantic slave trade took place before this and was mostly limited to coastal areas where the slavers bought slaves off African slave merchants. This was bad enough (both moral...

shafique

A simple, yes, it applies to women attending mass because 1 Timothy is about worshipping (which, I would contend does not say only at mass - Christians I know don't limit worshipping to mass) - but hey, I just wanted to be clear about your answer. But, you didn't answer my other question about wheth...

shafique

You are not seriously quoting Raymond Ibrahim again

Just refer back to the comments the last time you presented him as an expert on Islam.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

My bad, I misread your 'one in 9' as 9. See, I did ask for clarification - and you gave it. So, we have one civilisation we agree was ended by European rule. However, is this really the sum total of the devastation that was colonialisation of sub-saharan Africa? The two examples of possible civilisa...

shafique

I'm just tackling one verse at a time (I listed quite a few verses from the Bible, I'll come to those after we've dealt with this instruction - eg those ones telling women to submit to men). Concubinage has it's own thread and the Quran is pretty clear about s.ex outside of marriage. So, do all Chri...

shafique

It is a simple question.

Do you join me in condemning the war crime committed by Israelites described in the Bible where they massacred women, boys and men and enslaved 32,000 virgins - or not?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Fair enough -you don't believe telling women not to wear gold and pearls in church is misogynistic. However, why are you evading the simple question. Let me repeat it, .. (Do) Christian women follow this instruction today (and if not, why not?) Once you answer this, I'll address your questions (one ...

shafique

It's pretty obvious - one is carried out by acts of God, the other is carried out by people massacring women and children (but sparing virgins).

I unreservedly condemn the latter.

The simple question is - do you?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

As I said, I refer you back to the previous comments about him. He makes Karen Armstrong look like an expert in the history of Islam - but hold on, you agree with what she writes, don't you and never ever questioned her credentials rather than look at what she wrote. :) His theory is an off the wall...

shafique

I said I would comment on any verse you like, and I'd do them all - one at a time. After I address one verse, then I'll ask you about one verse from the Bible (I have a lot more verses than you do) - and after you address the questions on that verse, I'll address the next verse you choose from the Q...

shafique

No, I don't see a moral equivalency between acts of God and Israelites butchering children, men and women and only sparing 32,000 virgins. Are you saying that you do? I condemn the Biblical war crime carried out by the Israelites. It almost appears as if you are saying its ok to massacre children - ...

shafique

Well, it sure sounds like those war drums are being hit long and hard by Israel - so I wouldn't put it past them to launch yet another illegal invasion/bombing of another country - and possibly very soon.

The implications for Dubai/UAE are ominious!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I see you're resorting to the 'ostrich' technique of arguing now - ignoring the question asked of you. I'll patiently wait for your answer about whether Christian women today follow the Biblical instruction not to wear gold and pearls, or braid their hair - and why not (if the answer is no). I fully...

shafique

You really should keep your fantasies and leaps of logic to yourself. I don't really blame Karen Armstrong for refusing to debate with a research clerk - it will only enhance his reputation, not hers! I guess when he has something more than some laughable off-the-wall ideas, it may be worth 'debatin...

shafique

No, I don't see any moral equivalence between acts of God and the butchering of children and civilians by Israelites. I'm not sure how many times I can repeat this simple moral stance I have. I've told you how they are different - one is an act of God - the other is a cold blooded slaughter of civil...

shafique

Let me requote this section: ... And, mind you, you don't need to be an expert on the subject matter, just make sure to quote verses from the Qur'an out of context, cite Osama Bin Laden as the role model of Muslim behavior, bank on tired canaries like "Islam oppresses women," and "Isl...

shafique

Was my question really that difficult? All I asked was: I'll patiently wait for your answer about whether Christian women today follow the Biblical instruction not to wear gold and pearls, or braid their hair - and why not (if the answer is no). After you answer, I can tackle a Quranic verse of your...

shafique

I refer you to the 'Hypocrisy Uncovered' thread.

I condemn the massacre of civilians carried out by the Israelites - I invite you to do the same.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I categorically condemn the war crimes carried out by Israelites described in the Bible. Why don't you? (We can start another thread on acts of God and whether you and I condemn them, I personally don't condemn any of God's actions - only acts carried out by men against humanity or even animals) Che...

shafique

See, there you go again - fantasising about men's private parts!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I was expecting event horizon to at last come out and show his true colours. When asked in the thread 'Biblical War Crimes' whether he condemns (like I do) or condones the Biblical account of Israelites slaughtering children, men and non-virgin women and the enslavement of 32,000 virgins - he refuse...

shafique

Personally I find it offensive, disturbing and inappropriate that a moderator posts on a public forum with an avatar of the worst terrorist ever. He should be banned or to the least, limited to fight club. I think that's a bit harsh on Mr Bean. As for 'worst terrorist ever' - interesting view - by ...

shafique

I have no problem in condemning any war crime - even ones that only exist in eh's fanciful extrapolations. Interesting that we have another thread on Biblical war crimes where the first one I picked was where 32,000 virgins were enslaved by Israelites and who also butchered, in cold blood, women, me...

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Just to make the point that allegations of war crimes have been made before and dealt with - and to make the point that I conceded if war crimes were committed they should be condemned (I highlight that below). By contrast, event horizon, refuses to condemn the slaughter of civilians where he thinks...

shafique

If you condone/excuse the butchering of civilians and enslavement of virgins on the grounds that 'God ordered them to do it' - doesn't that make you a religious extremist/fanatic? How are you different from those who blow themselves up or shoot up mosques or synagogues - all in the name of religion?...

shafique

Doesn't it make you a religious fanatic if you justify the butchering of civilians because 'God' did it? No - most people view acts of God as just that, acts of 'nature'. Justifying the butchering of civilians by Israelites does make you a religious fanatic though. If the cap fits.. Cheers, Shafique

shafique

That's because you haven't read the article or the fatwa yet and desperately want to believe that you are right to side with Al Qaeda. I also refer you back to the above reference to 'tired canaries' - and also to 'QB1' - your quaint belief no. 1 that Islam says there should be perpetual warfare aga...

shafique

Well, Erekat makes a good case - whilst not ideal, if the Israelis refuse to sign up to the peace deals which give them 78% of the land and continue to build colonies on the 22% that would be left for Palestinians, the logical conclusion is to have a one-state solution. But it does show that fact th...

shafique

I asked whether you thought Israel's war crime after the 1967 war where it bulldozed the homes of Muslims in the Maghreb quarter and still refuses them the right to return to their land was not as bad (or worse) than preventing Pagans from worshipping Idols in Mecca. You made excuses about it not be...

shafique

Are you still trying to convince me that cold blooded murder and enslavement/rape of virgins is NOT a war crime, but rather an angelic action? Wow. Why would I think Abraham is a war criminal - he didn't slaughter anyone in cold blood or enslave virgins. Had he done so, then yes, I would condemn him...

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