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Yes, oh sheikh, I understand it is important for us to repeat the reverse psychology arguments of the Quran whenever we can (you have taught us this well). However, won't some people realise that in threads about the Bible and war crimes listed there, perhaps we should address what the Bible says as...

shafique

Dear sheikh, I understand your arguments. Again I am impressed that you've have so deftly selected the arguments from orientalist websites about Islam's teachings in regards to women. I agree it is indeed worth repeating the discussions we had which compared Biblical and Quranic teachings about wome...

shafique

As for your quaint belief on the New Testament, I've already invited you to compare the teachings in the New Testament regarding women with those in the Koran. I see you're fond of your old hat interpretation of a verse that says not to speak in church but is preceded by a verse that says for women...

shafique

shafique wrote:Bump:
Surely he's not avoiding this question AS WELL?

shafique

We're still waiting for your answers - you're not running away are you?

shafique wrote:Bump:
What you do after you've answered the two pertinent questions about your allegations is up to you.

Otherwise, it will appear it is a double case of 'AMNT' - all mouth, no trousers.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So, you are saying that Sub Saharan Africa STILL has little inter-religious quarrels. So what were you saying on Saturday then? What was 'too bad'? On Saturday: Looks like things aren't going well for Christians in either Nigeria or Liberia. Too bad, sub-saharan Africa used to be a place where there...

shafique

As I said sheikh, I am quoting the Biblical accounts of the slaughter of men, women and children and the sparing of only the virgins (well all 32,000 of them). I didn't refer to the Quran at all - but as I said, it may be a bit too transparent to ask people to read the Quran in this thread - we shou...

shafique

I do understand that belief of yours. However, it is your evasion of the two clear questions that leads me to say (again) you are 'All Mouth, No Trousers'. Here are the points again (note the FAIL refers to your current status): 1. Provide one expert that disagrees with Newby that Ezra was a poster ...

shafique

Ok, I'll play. Yes, I checked the thread. You have not answered the question about whether you agree with MATTHEW that PILATE is NOT, I repeat, NOT to blame for killing Jesus. You keep referring to 'authorities' or that the apostles creed says Pilate caused Jesus to suffer - but never have you come ...

shafique

So, the NT says women should be subservient to men and learn from men. I totally agree with the christians who ignore these verses and point out that Paul contradicts himself in other verses which record that there were some named women who perhaps were deacons in churches. There are fewer 'misogyni...

shafique

Ok, my last post was sent just as you were posting. So let's see what your replies are - noting that you invited a comparison of Biblical quotes from the NT and the Quran on women. Paul repeats that women should not braid their hair or wear gold, and should also submit to their husbands in 1 Peter (...

shafique

Are you trying to justify the killing of women, boys, men and the enslavement of 32,000 virgins by the Israelites by saying this is what God ordered? Either you are condoning the slaughter of non-virgins or you are justifying it. It appears to me you are trying to justify these massacres. Please cla...

shafique

:) You are confused, it seems. You implied on Saturday that there are now inter-religious quarrels in sub-saharan africa, and yet on Sunday you said you weren't aware of any. [sigh] Anyway - let's focus on you not answering the questions about Rapture, who killed Jesus and whether it's ok to kill wo...

shafique

Thanks, a lot of unsubstantiated beliefs, but a bit thin on actual quotes from the Bible (in contrast with my first post which was actually mostly quotes from the bible and a few quotes from the Quran). The sheikh does protest a bit too much. ;) Anyway, let's deal with the first point about his view...

shafique

I actually have no hesitation in condemning the slaughter of men, women and boys and the enslavement of 32000 virgins. You will recall I even condemned the massacres you think Muslims carried out (but which turned out to be fanciful interpretations of 'clement punishments'). So, are you condemning t...

shafique

It appears the pot is calling the kettle black :) So, you say that there was no religous strife in the past, and I agreed with this assessment - noting that there was significant violence and injustice after missionaries arrived in Sub-saharan Africa with their colonial brothers: Oh, sheikh - you ar...

shafique

Bump:

Is Pilate absolved of responsibility as Matthew says or do you think Matthew is a liar?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Nice one chev - LMAO.

An example of the international reproach you talk about is in this article from the FT (I won't paste the text) - it'll spoil the humour of this thread, but it is (as Finkelstein says) 'worth reading':

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/worth-reading-5/

shafique

Still no new quotes from the Bible. Why am I not surprised? Adultery - we agree that Islam does not allow s.ex outside marriage it appears (even though you seem to be under the impression that Islam allows concubinage - what a quaint belief/interpretation, sheiky) As for the rest, I still make the p...

shafique

I agree FD - the myth of Mossad's capabilities has been one that both sides in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict have cultivated to their own ends - bizarely. As the FT article I linked to above says, they haven't covered themselves with glory in many of their operations. The fact they were completel...

shafique

As for European colonists, we can see who destroyed/conquered more African civilizations - the Europeans or Islamic Jihad. Ok - over to you then, I'd be interested in seeing how you count the numbers of civilsations conquered by Islamic armies and European colonials and which is greater. I'd guess ...

shafique

What do you think?

Fascinating - don't you think every reader of this thread will think you are chicken in your studied avoidance of a simple question?

I mean, it's not difficult, is it? Do you, or do you not, agree with Matthew that Pilate is NOT to blame?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

another bump

shafique

I condemn unreservedly the massacre of women, men, boys and the enslavement of 32,000 virgins by the Israelites as described in the Bible above.

Do you condemn it or do you condone the massacre?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Hey, if you want to believe that Islam says it is ok to have s.ex outside of marriage - I can't stop you. God however says quite clearly that s.ex is only permissable in marriage and that one of the categories of women that men are allowed to marry are those 'who the right hand possesses'. Was my qu...

shafique

Ok - go for it.

As I said, I haven't made the comparisons myself - so I am most interested in your research and counts. Just let us know how each civilisation ended when you are making your tally.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

God is quite clear that s.ex outside of marriage is not allowed in Islam. No matter how many cuts and pastes of selective quotes are done, this will remain a clear fact. (And yes, Sheikh Munajid is one of those who overlooks this clear fact) The fact that 'slave girls' are permissable for marriage j...

shafique

We can address the issue about whether Islam allows s.ex outside of marriage in the thread about concubinage you've just set up. Which means you can address this question about the Biblical verses saying women can't wear gold and pearls, or braid their hair: Was my question about which women aren't ...

shafique

If you will note, the title of this thread is about Biblical war crimes. I unreservedly condemn the massacre of women, men and children carried out by Israelites. Do you? (I will answer the question about the destructions carried out by God - either in Bible or Quran, but only after we've establishe...

shafique

I asked which women should not wear gold and pearls, or braid their hair.

You seem to be implying that this refers to women attending mass.

Can you please let me know whether this is correct and whether Christian women follow this instruction today (and if not, why not?)

Cheers,
Shafique

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