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shafique

So we still wait for the quotes from the Talmud. So far, AMNT indeed (just beliefs without evidence). It is interesting that you want to go back to the first allegation, given that you were the one who wanted to move on to the second! I guess you had a flip-flop when you realised that the Talmud doe...

shafique

So, the fact remains - you have only quoted Richard Gabriel from his book 'Isam's first General' and haven't actually provided any quote (from a primary source or even another historian) that contradicts the fuller account I have posted. What's the matter eh - you're usually quite quick to cut and p...

shafique

That's one crazee goat story!!

Not sure what the moral is - don't corner sheep, because you may find a crazy goat attacking you ??!

The grinding sound you're hearing is eh trying to think of way to blame the Quran for this attack!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

So eh, perhaps you can give us your views on the information in this link, detailing how the US have let down Kurds in the past (it gives specific examples, and the events took place after the changes in law in Syria - so are more recent) :

http://revcom.us/a/1226/lvexcerpt.htm

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Nope, you're not being a nob. Saddam bombed and gassed the Kurds before he became the West's bad guy (i.e. before he started selling oil in Euros and looking like becoming a strong regional leader to challenge Israel's strength in the region - he was just as bad a dictator when he was 'our strong ma...

shafique

AMNT on two fronts - impressive going eh. It would just be easier to say you don't have any evidence to back up your two allegations. I've provided a quote by Newby which says Ezra fits exactly the description for ben elohim, and you've EPICALLY failed to produce ONE other expert who disagrees with ...

shafique

You have only quoted Gabriel in this thread. If you have primary sources or quotes from other historians, please post them here and show how they contradict or are more detailed that the description I've posted. The soldiers picked to accompany the military commander were indeed good at their jobs (...

shafique

Interesting article - thanks for posting. It is interesting to look at the instances of democracy at play in the region over the recent(ish) past. Iran had a popular elected leader in Mossadegh - and he had a popular mandate to improve the lot of Iranians, and quite rightly wanted to retain more of...

shafique

They'll probably wait for North Korea, Pakistan, India, Israel and China (not to say France, UK and US) to use theirs first. Or perhaps they think that as North Korea hasn't been invaded it's a good insurance policy to have?? But based on past experience, they haven't invaded anyone for the past few...

shafique

sorry but the yankees decide what happens not just in the middle east but in the whole world ;) Jan Kees is a Dutch name. Just as Wall Street in Manhattan is with Dutch origins. The Hudson river is founded by Henry Hudson. A Dutch fella. They say, who owns Wall-street is the one who owns the world,...

shafique

(No arnie - keep this here, we don't want to confuse eh with some more topics where he'll be itching to blame Muslims for ) :mrgreen: Where did you conclude that? I don't know what agenda you work on, but you better not insult me like that. I really object against such dishonest statements. The ope...

shafique

Robby, I apologise unreservedly for any confusion or unintended insult my attempt at humour produced. I'll ensure to put 'eh' in ' ' in future :) As for the history lessons - firstly Robby, no disagreements on the description of what the Dutch invented (joint stock companies etc)- I actually meant i...

shafique

Did you confirm in your Googling that the Kurds in Turkey and Iraq are being discriminated against and killed - and that these events took place more recently than the events in FD's first post, which I unhestiatingly condemned? I've told you that when Saddam gassed the Kurds inthe late 80s, I was o...

shafique

I get that you don't agree with Newby's conclusions. I've merely asked you to provide ONE other person who is knowledgeable about this who disagrees with Newby and shares your view that Ezra was NOT consdiered a 'ben elohim' by the Jews. AMNT no. 1. Now, to your second allegation - you have been ask...

shafique

You haven't posted any quotes in this thread - only Gabriels short extract.

AMNT - again?

Simple request - please provide any evidence that Khan's fuller report is contradicted by any primary source.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

You are confused young one. I did not hesitate to condemn Syria's actions against Kurds that the 14 year old report stated took place in the 60's - nor any current actions. I didn't check to see what relgion they all were when I condemned the actions. But you are right, not all Kurds are Muslims - j...

shafique

So, no new evidence. I responded to Gabriel's short quote with a longer, fuller quotation. My work is done - as I've exposed that your belief is based on a selective reading of history. Your job is to show why you want us to believe Gabriel's shorter account. So far, we have only got your 'beliefs' ...

shafique

Good work eh - keep it up. It is very encouraging to hear about Muslim women challenging some of the views held by current day Mullahs. You could also have pointed out that the Prophet's , pbuh, first wife was a successful businesswoman and much richer than him. His youngest wife Aisha actually led ...

shafique

AMNT x2.

1. Provide one expert that disagrees with Newby that Ezra was a poster boy for the term 'ben elohim'. FAIL.
2. Provide the quotes from the Talmud which say only Jews go to heaven. FAIL

(The FAIL refers to you 'eh' )

AMNT.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Eng-er-land, Eng-er-land, Engerland!!!!!!

Now, I must go and e-mail my Pakistani friends!

Cheers,
shafique

shafique

Not consciously Robby - I had read his book Empire before and my boss had also recommended Ascent of Money. I saw the documentary series a while back, but only finally got the book a few months ago. But regardless - it is a fascinating read. On my list of 'to-reads' is his book on the American empir...

shafique

Fail x 2. AMNT, all mouth, no trousers - see the two explicit areas where you've failed. Can you not find ONE expert that agrees with you that Ezra is not a ben elohim - as described by Newby? What about failure number 2 about the Talmud quotes? You said you would provide these quotes... so what's t...

shafique

As I said, I'm glad you're raising the points that are being debated within Islam. I didn't say that Aisha did not travel in a litter on a camel - but that she headed up an army into battle. So much for not participating in society or being separated from men - she headed up an army and did this whi...

shafique

Fail. Please show that Palmer is addressing Newby's point about ben elohim rather than the orientalist strawman about Jews worshipping Ezra. You, yet again, have not given a full reference or given its context. 1. Provide one expert that disagrees with Newby that Ezra was a poster boy for the term '...

shafique

Thanks for sharing your beliefs. I'll wait for some evidence to back up your belief. I've merely countered your short quote from a book with a more fuller account from a different book. You have failed to produce any evidence to show that the fuller account is wrong or contradicted by any primary so...

shafique

Yes, you are right. The same Muslims who spoke out against Saddam's attacks against Kurds and Turkey's attacks against Kurds would also condemn the Syrian injustices which stem from 50 year old laws. Why would you doubt that they would? If they condemn actions by Muslim Turks and Iraqis (who used US...

shafique

It is a fascinating thread. My first post was to condemn Syrian actions and also to invite the fanbois to join me in condemning more recent attacks against Kurds - in Turkey and Iraq. (In Iran it appears the Kurds are doing fine in terms of tolerance etc) I wonder how much 'static' there would have ...

shafique

We know you 'believe' Khan's fuller account is spin.

The question remains, can you provide any historical evidence that it is spin. Thus far the answer is a resounding no.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Fail.

Still in denial, I see.

It is really quite simple a request:

shafique wrote:
1. Provide one expert that disagrees with Newby that Ezra was a poster boy for the term 'ben elohim'. FAIL.
2. Provide the quotes from the Talmud which say only Jews go to heaven. FAIL

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Seems that Islam considers men as animals who cannot control themselves when they see a woman. I thought that was how all advertisers thought of men - hence why Pirelli calendars seem to feature more women rather than tyres! ;) I understand your misconception though FD, it probably stems from not r...

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