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Sorry, I'm a bit lost now. How is your belief that Jews killed Jesus related to the contradictions in the Bible? I'm not aware of any Biblical verse that contradicts Paul's statement that Jews killed Jesus or Matthew's detailed account which puts the responsiblity of killing Jesus on the heads of th...

shafique

An article from Haaretz with some uncomfortable truths for some of our resident supporters of Israel who are in denial about Israel's racist/xenophobic acts: Holocaust remembrance is a boon for Israeli propaganda 01.28.2010 | Haaretz ... Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke at Yad Vashem. “There ...

shafique

So, under the new Netanyahu government only one terrorist master mind was killed during a raid, during which Israeli's tried to capture him alive, but due to resistance it turned out in a gun fight. I fail to see how this contitutes a continuous policy targetted killings and is a obstacle to peace....

shafique

Hmm, Fox News reporting on a 'study' by the US military. I'm surprised it didn't start with 'Once upon a time...' :) Anyway - perhaps it is the repressed homos.exuality of the Pashtuns that is the reason why they haven't been conquered yet and given the new coalition tactic of bribing them to not fi...

shafique

So you admit that you posted multiple translations of the same verse! Did you think they were different verses when you just cut and pasted this??? :) Anyway, when you take the trouble to paste the two verses, you will see that they are complimentary verses. I fully understand that you are delaying ...

shafique

No, this hasn't been shown. All you've shown so far is one reference that people who owned land may have been charged higher rates if they were non-Muslim. We've established that Jizya for rich people is much less than Zakat - and therefore I'd argue that landowners would be exactly the people who p...

shafique

Please post the quote in full. Thanks for confirming that you only have the one line in Theophanes to back up your allegation that 7000 Romans were killed in Caesarea. Perhaps you want to confirm that Hugh Kennedy doesn't seem to mention this figure of 7000 in his book:The Byzantine and early Islami...

shafique

Hey, perhaps I wasn't being clear. We can go into the 'WHY' of you chose the option of either 'Jews were responsible for killing Jesus, not Pilate' or 'Pilate was responsible for killing Jesus, not the Jews'. I can't see how you could choose 'both were responsible' as there seems to be no overlap. F...

shafique

Again with the 'beliefs' - suffice to say that the basis of your allegation of a massacre looks extremely weak. Did you not expect me to check your references? So, let's see: 1. We have only one (yes one) reference to the figure of 7000 killed in Caesarea after the Muslim conquest in 640, after 7 ye...

shafique

Ah, young man, you obviously didn't actually read the verses in context did you? 24.2 covers the crime of 'zina' - adultery or fornication - and I'll give the following verse so you see the full range of punishments/forgiveness that God allows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina_(Arabic) 4.15 covers ...

shafique

Good, no disagreement over the facts of Jizya. I look forward to your new thread on the comparison of taxation between Muslims and nonMuslims, detailing why you think Muslims paid less taxes than nonMuslims (with actual worked out examples of the rates each paid). Please provide full references and ...

shafique

Are you in the process of doing a flip-flop? I asked what YOU believe - do you believe that Matthew was lying when he said Pilate was NOT to blame, or do you believe that Christians who put the blame on Pilate are wrong and Matthew was right? Hey, perhaps I wasn't being clear. We can go into the 'WH...

shafique

Let me remind you of this quote: No, claiming that Jews killed Jesus is not anti-Semitic. Why would it be? So, Matthew isn't anti-semitic for claiming Jews killed Jesus. But the question is - do you believe Matthew was RIGHT to blame Jews for killing Jesus and absolving Pilate? (Paul also says Jews ...

shafique

^sense of humour failure?

Perhaps you're still one of those who think that the WMD's in Iraq are still there to be found.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

As for the specific allegation that a 'commando unit' was sent in 7th century Arabia is laughable (it ignores the actual historical record of who was sent). We've discussed this before and the allegation is based on a selective reading of the available historical records. The fullest account of the ...

shafique

For the full account of what happened (and eh last time failed to tackle the point that this account gives more information that the selective quotes he gave). It goes to show that an incident that is free from deceipt can be spun to be something it isn't. But we've seen, this is the only way eh's f...

shafique

Sure. Kennedy says that land taxes were higher for non-Muslims initially. He does not say by how much - and it is a statement of the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS that land taxes only apply to those who own land. I'm therefore leaving it to you to show that the higher land taxes outweighed the higher Zakaat (i...

shafique

Perhaps Theophanes made the error in his one-line, and Baldhuri was more accurate in his substantially longer descriptions of the events? Anyway, as with almost all your arguments - it seems to rely on a selective (in this case, a very selective) reading of historical accounts. What is most telling ...

shafique

Does your copy of the New Testament not have the following verses in it? Does your translation NOT absolve Pilate and put the responsibility on the Jews? Matthew 27:23-26 Pilate asked, "Why do you want me to kill him? What wrong has he done?" But all the people shouted louder, "Kill h...

shafique

Cool, you have no answer. So, God gives two different punishments for two different crimes. Can't see a contradiction there - can you? I can't be to blame (nor God for that matter) if you chose to overlook the fact that the more reputable translations don't translate 'lewdness' as adultery - as they...

shafique

shafique wrote:
But, moving on to your second allegation - when will you dig out the quotes from the Talmud which say that only Jews go to heaven?

Surely you're not going to evade this question and give us another 'all mouth, no trousers' moment?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Careful Robby, you may be accused of being an anti-Semite by our resident fanbois!

(BTW - I agree with you)

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

The fact is that you couldn't find any account which contradicted this fuller account of the incident - and insisted that Uzair was an unarmed diplomat, when he was actually a military commander with an armed entourage. The analogy about your belief in 7000 killed in Caesarea has it totally the wron...

shafique

No, I'm waiting to see the evidence that nonMuslim land owners paid higher rates of tax on the land than Muslim landowners. I've seen your quote from Kennedy - but he doesn't say by how much the taxes differed, how many people this affected (i.e. who owned land) and I haven't seen the calculations t...

shafique

I've not seen any evidence that Newby is wrong either. But that was your first allegation - and one where I said we had both presented our evidence and it is up to others to decide which view is correct - God says Ezra was viewed as a 'ben elohim' and Newby says this is probably true. You haven't pr...

shafique

So, what were the rates then? How many people owned land?

Please give me the references so I can look them up.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

The account is not in dispute - what is dispute is your spin which relies on a selective reading of the historical record. A military commander with 30 armed men were beaten in a fight against an equal number of Muslim solidiers when a fight broke out when they were on their way to meet Muhammad, pb...

shafique

Does your copy of the New Testament not have the following verses in it? Does your translation NOT absolve Pilate and put the responsibility on the Jews? Matthew 27:23-26 Pilate asked, "Why do you want me to kill him? What wrong has he done?" But all the people shouted louder, "Kill ...

shafique

So, do you believe Iraq has WMD's ? Even Fox News believes the truth on that subject now. (Let me just check - were you being serious with this story, it's just a joke to the rest of us..) :albino: It's a bit like if someone posted the fictional report which says: I hear that Al Manara is reporting ...

shafique

Oh, so you want me to do your work for you? No thanks. I did the work in this thread on Jizya, you do the work now on the land tax rates. Either back up your allegations, or admit you don't know. All mouth, no trousers - again. But hey, at least there's no disagreement on Jizya now - your initial vi...

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