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shafique

Here's one Rabbi that thinks the belief in the Biblical account is anti-semitic: You shouldn't get so angry at that Christian who insisted that the Jews killed Jesus. Your outrage is being directed at the wrong source. Your accuser was simply taking his New Testament a little too seriously. The Chri...

shafique

Ok, out of curiosity I looked up the references you gave: Just a friendly update for a citation on the 7,000 inhabitants of Caesarea I previously claimed were massacred: The chronicle of Theophanes, p 41: In this year, Muawiyah took Palestinian Caesarea siege; he killed 7,000 inhabitants there. Al-B...

shafique

The facts remain though - Israel broke the truce on Nov 4 2008 then proceeded to lie about it being Hamas breaking the truce by firing rockets. It is interesting that you don't seem to want to address this lie of Israel (that Hamas fired rockets and broke the truce) but are now trying to re-write hi...

shafique

Yes, you're right Berrin. I'm still a bit surprised that eh effectively tried to deceive us by altering the quote above - either he did it intentionally (which is just plain deceit) or he copied and pasted it from a website which clearly cannot be trusted (the deceit is with the web site's authors) ...

shafique

Nope. You really need to make up your mind eh - first you were arguing that the majority of non-Muslims were poor and would be 'crippled' by paying a tax of 12 chickens a year, now you're arguing that non-Muslims were landowners who paid higher land taxes than Muslims did. And in any case, landowner...

shafique

In I Thessalonians 2:14-16, Paul writes, . . . even as they have of the Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, So is the Koran anti-Semitic because it also says that the Jews have killed their own prophets? Many Jews do believe Islam is anti-semitic. As I said, I don't believ...

shafique

Ok, I'll take it that you made an honest mistake - even though it looks suspiciously like you deleted the words 'after a seven-year' and then changed 'Romans' to 'inhabitants'. So, we have one reference from Theophane that has one line that says 7000 Romans were killed when Caesarea was conquered. I...

shafique

Well, Google books allows a search for terms - looking up the word 'Romans' gives 49 instances. I couldn't find any in which Theophanes uses it to describe the non-Roman inhabitants of Palestine (basically Arabs and Jews) - but the term is used for the Roman army primarily (as mostly used in descrip...

shafique

Hey, eh - did we ever find a fifth convert who committed a terrorist act between 2001 and 2009?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Sure, we can of course examine Kennedy's quote when we have finished discussing Jizya. We can look, in that new thread, at what the historical evidence is and also check to see whether the landed classes would pay more or less when comparing Jizya + land tax vs Zakaat + land tax. But first, let us c...

shafique

This is your thread - so it just seemed extremely weird that you apparently triumphantly presented information about a supposed massacre and then proceeded to delete and change words in your reference. Sloppy at best, deceitful at worst. I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you...

shafique

It is fascinating that your comparison of anti-semitism in the Quran vs the Bible stops and the words and doesn't actually look at anti-semitic actions. If you are right and the Bible has fewer anti-semitic verses, then we could expect fewer acts of killing of Jews by European Christians when compar...

shafique

Now, I understand your fervent desire to bring up Quaint Belief No 1 again - but we've already discussed your interpretation of the Quran and why I don't share your quaint belief. What is clear though, and I'm sure you'll agree, is that the Quran does not say the Jews killed Jesus. It is only the Bi...

shafique

So, in summary, you agree that Israel lied when it said Hamas had broken the truce by firing rockets. The other points are irrelevant and weren't brought up at the time Israel was blaming Hamas rockets for breaking the truce. Hamas did not fire rockets, and in fact stopped the few rockets that were ...

shafique

You can conclude what you like about the Quran - I've already made a list of your 'quaint beliefs' and QB1 already records your quaint interpretation. We agree, however, that the Quran specifically has God saying that the Jews did not kill Jesus (because that's what God says there). This thread is a...

shafique

Here's a hymn from 1889 which includes the following reference to deicide by the Jews. I guess this is the kind of hymn that some may consider anti-semitic, but which eh has no problem with (eh, care to confirm whether you'd be ok singing this hymn?): THOU, THE CHRIST FOREVER ONE ... Though the Bloo...

shafique

Worrying news indeed.

Keep safe.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

That was a long answer to a short question.

You could have just said that you only have this one reference for this so-called 'massacre' of 7000 Romans.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

This thread is about Jizya. The clue is in the title. So let me repeat my question to you again, s l o w l y. Have you found ANY expert who disagrees with the facts of Jizya listed in red above? (And descriptions of later aberrations in Egypt etc don't count) If not, let's start a new thread to disc...

shafique

Fair enough, let's establish ground rules. Where there are contradictions in the Bible, one has to choose which version of events to believe. Where the Bible categorically states something and that 'fact' is not contradicted elsewhere (Jews responsbile for killing Jesus), then the choice becomes whe...

shafique

You're quite welcome. I'm still willing to help you reach 10, but first we still need to find the 5th one. Once we get to 10, then perhaps we can revisit why you now think the 242 Christian Convert terrorists are no longer Christian Convert Terrorists. Just wishing it wasn't true doesn't really work...

shafique

Ok, fair enough. I certainly concede that NLFT are converts to Christianity. From the first page of this thread where all the evidence still resides. I think you said something about 'flip-flopping' today in another thread? ;) But hey, don't let my count of 242 Christian convert terrorists throw yo...

shafique

Again, I refer you to the first page of this thread and your own conclusion. (The information of the terrorist acts are clearly listed - by an organisation set up to monitor terrorist acts - and I even provide links to a BBC news article about the group - I'm not sure what other information you want...

shafique

As I said before, I agree with you on this point - God does indeed contradict your interpretations of the verses in question. Hey, I just wonder how much you'd write if I didn't agree with your intial post! As it is, I'm happy to thank you again for pointing out that your quaint Orientalist views of...

shafique

I need to know what is a contradiction in the New Testament and what is a contradiction in the Koran. Ok, easy. There are no contradictions in the Quran, the only example you've found is where God contradicts your interpretation of 9.29. A contradiction in the NT would be where one verse says women...

shafique

Nope, close but no cigar. Just look at the complimentary verses and you'll see that no verse has been abrogated. If you don't believe, quote the two (or more) verses and show which verse no longer applies. If it still has meaning and hasn't been superseded by the other verse - then it hasn't been ab...

shafique

Ah, I see you've decided to go on the offensive rather than answer the issue about your belief that Jews killed Jesus because that is what the Bible says (and that this belief is not anti-semitic) ;) Anyway, the post above from me was in response to your previous post about abrogation. As to you las...

shafique

First let us know what verses you quoted above - are they all the same verse, but different translations? dear oh dear, you appear to be losing it dear boy. ;) If you think two verses are contradictory, you should post both verses and show that one contradicts the other. Just ensure that you are not...

shafique

A degree of adultery? Never heard of that. Don't worry, when you're a bit older you'll understand. If a lady commits one act and is genuinely repentant and won't do it again - should she not be shown mercy as God allows in the Quran? Should all adulterers suffer the maximum punishment that is in th...

shafique

If you think a verse abrogates another, just post the two verses and let us see the evidence. It's not hard.

Now, don't forget to tell us where your quotes came from and what verse(s) they are/is

Cheers,
Shafique

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