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There was a campaign to personalise the attack on Iraq. It helps to paint a person as the problem - and they couldn't call him 'Hussein' because that would the run the risk of confusing Joe public in the US when they hear that Bush was meeting with 'King Hussein' or other Hussains. 'Saddam' wasn't r...

shafique

Does 'Maggie' count?

There's also Mao.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

No, I don't believe the world would be more peaceful without religion. Shouldn't the question be whether there is any need for any laws or guidance about behaviour at all? Religion, after all, is only a guidance for how we should live - and encompasses guidance on how to behave unto others. If every...

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Polyandry is not allowed in Islam - God says in the Quran that men can marry up to four wives - but women are not allowed in Islam to have two (or more) husbands. God does not explicitly state why women aren't allowed multiple husbands. Nor does God give explicit reasons why men are allowed to marry...

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I agree - stripping away all the man-made additions to all religions would certainly make the world more peaceful. In my experience there is a strong correlation between man-made additions/interpretations and illogical teachings. One just needs to look at some of the more funky beliefs - such as Rap...

shafique

The facts are clear - you can't refute the references produced by Berrin! Berrin - congratulations, I was initially sceptical about your long posts, but on this one you've managed to check-mate eh-oh. Well done. I guess we can add to the list of quaint beliefs of eh (those that evidence don't suppor...

shafique

It was pretty clear that this is what some Israelis want and the Israeli delaying tactics were to change 'facts on the ground, but what is new is that a PM is saying this explicitly - and yet some still say it is the Palestinians who are standing in the way of peace! :roll: The facts are (note fact ...

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Been there, bought the t-shirt, lost the t-shirt, bought another t-shirt and hand delivered it to you. :lol: Yet, you keep saying its not a t-shirt but a polo-neck with the neck and arms cut short! :mrgreen: I'm glad we agree on the facts though and that you can't produce any expert who disagrees wi...

shafique

JInn? Did the topic suddenly change? I certainly agree that some Muslims also have some kooky beliefs/interpretations - I cited one above (occultation). I'll see your jinn and raise you 'demons' and the other beasts in the Bible (sorry, I forget the name of the winged creature with claws ... what wa...

shafique

So you are saying the verse was inserted by someone not anti-semitic? (I think I quoted Father Murphy O'Conner on his views - certainly I recall his conclusion that the misogynistic verses were fabrications inserted by later clergy - but we'll have to see what he says on this verse, IIRC, he says th...

shafique

You're right - occultation is a strongly held belief, but I do indeed find it 'funky' - and it is similar to Rapture in that the Christians who believe this think they will 'vanish' from earth and go into a state similar to the occultation of Shia beliefs. I've had discussions with some distinguishe...

shafique

Which particular fact about Jizya are you disputing eh? Land is considered wealth, and any non-Muslim with land would have to pay Zakaat on the land AS WELL as Kharaj (land tax), not just sadqaa - so it appears that Kennedy is mistaken on this point. See below for a full treatment on this point - wi...

shafique

Hmm, an attempt at deflection. Fascinating. So, when do you expect to vanish in flash? (No need to be coy about your hatred of Islam eh, no one thinks you believe otherwise - but interesting that you believe Muhammad,pbuh, is mentioned in the Bible... we perhaps just disagree which particular verses...

shafique

Trying to change the subject eh?

So, do you believe in the 18th century view that the Bible was literally correct and Pilate not responsible, or not?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

shafique wrote:
Now, when can we expect to read the references from the Talmud which say that only Jews go to heaven? I am looking forward to reading your explanations about how these references stack up against God's words in the Quran on the subject.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Oh dear, you still seem to be missing the point eh (and confusing different eras in early Muslim history). You should remind yourself when the Umayyad dystasty started and when Ali was killed (clue, the book I linked to has some dates in the title). Ergo, 'the generation after Ali' is exactly the pe...

shafique

The fact that you believe Jews did not take Ezra as a ben elohim, whereas scholars such as Newby think it is probable they did - shows more about your beliefs rather than God's accuracy. (There's no historical evidence that Moses or Adam or Joseph ever existed either - so perhaps we should reject th...

shafique

:mrgreen: Ok, we'll assume that you do believe the Bible is correct and believe that the Jews were responsible for the suffering and killing of Jesus, and that they forced Pilate's men to carry out the punishment. (Either that, or you believe the Bible is wrong and the Jews aren't responsible... nah...

shafique

It appears that our friend eh believes that the Biblical account of Jesus' trial is correct and he believes that the Romans were not responsible for killing of Jesus, but rather it was the responsiblity of 'Jews'. This view is nowadays viewed as anti-semitic, but kudos to eh for having the courage o...

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Im not saying remove religion completly, just reduce its influence to personal only. I have a lot of sympathy for this view. Clerics (history shows us) don't make the best polticians, and politicians make lousy clerics. The Islamic principle is that the best person for any job should be chosen to d...

shafique

:lol: I'm impressed with how you can extrapolate meanings that aren't there. So, back to what Jizya is - the facts aren't contradicted by Kennedy's quote and the reduction in taxation in Umayyad era is dealt with in the long quote I gave above. You seem to be reading a lot into the word 'generation'...

shafique

What do you want me to do, confirm that some massacres did occur during the early part of Arab conquests? Sure, happy to do so - I've quoted the Economist review of Kennedy's book 'The Great Arab Conquests' many times - you will recall that it says Kennedy shows that massacres did occur, but that th...

shafique

Let me quote you from the 18th century beliefs thread: I wouldn't have assumed you had these anti-semitic beliefs There's nothing anti Semitic in the passage from Matthew you quoted. I mentioned Josephus previous, but for some reason, you thought I was talking about the crucifixion - oh forget, you'...

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I have no recollection of asking for the source - but hey, perhaps I was just asking you to back up a claim and checking that you weren't inventing a massacre as you did with Banhasa. Thanks for eventually looking this up. (If it is not too much trouble, could you post the quote where I asked for th...

shafique

Hey, I'm with you, I also don't get why Christians and Jews view the responsibility of the killing of Jesus as portrayed in Matthew (and also in Mel Gibson's 'Passion of Christ') as being anti-semitic. Both just say that Pilate went out of his way to free Jesus and then washed his hands of responsib...

shafique

Again there seems to be a misunderstanding. You have to read my statement carefully. Ok I said: I believe (as in: I think) that the Quranic teachings have something to do with the survey finding that the majority of Egyptian women consider wife beating acceptable. The phrase “have something to do w...

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Kung and I have the same interpretation of what 'all merciful' means. You are the only one here with tali-tubby views who think it is ok to enslave virgins for one's use, after slaughtering their families in cold blood - as long as you are an Israelite and you think God wants you to do it. That's yo...

shafique

It is an ad hominem attack, by definition, because you are not attacking what he wrote about the Bible. You haven't said whether this is because you can't or whether you won't defend the Bible. Here's the valid point he makes again: This relates to general authorship of the Bible and cites one histo...

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