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Great, I'm glad we agree that Israel's actions regarding the protestors should be condemned. The conversation with FD has moved on to the misinformation the Israelis put out designed to demonise the Palestinians. The extracts from the paper I quoted above details part of this - exposing the myth tha...

shafique

Yes, we all know this belief of eh's as 'Quaint Belief No 1'.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

eh - you like references, so I thought you'd love Berrin's first post giving all the references on the subject of the age of Aisha. If what Berrin has shown is true - doesn't that blow your argument that the Prophet was a paedophile out of the water? And would that not also undermine the specious ar...

shafique

I guess you like flogging dead horses eh. When you find a verse where God says Jews worshipped Ezra, then we can pursue this particular strawman of yours. You wanted to move on to the question of Jewish belief of who goes to heaven. We are now waiting for you to dig out the quotes from the Talmud wh...

shafique

Great, we agree on the facts of what Jizya is and your only quibble is that I've given you one long quote from a historian rather than a number of quotes from different books (which you've said you've read) which agree with Arnold. How about we make this quite simple then - we have a list of facts a...

shafique

A shocking statistic is that with an estimated 200,000 being killed in Haiti - the death toll is higher than Hiroshima and Nagasaki! As for the security fears, an article by the BBC today calls these 'misguided fears' - and the reporter is speaking from first hand experience - stating he feels safe ...

shafique

I thought you liked references and would appreciate the page of references that Berrin produced. I couldn't see where you addressed any of these references which contradict the reports that Aisha was a doll-playing 6 year old when she was married. I look forward to your refutation of the numerous re...

shafique

Isn't he cute - the boy likes his quaint beliefs, doesn't he!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I started off by praising the aid efforts - singling out both US and Israeli forces. The Guardian and BBC reports are exposing scandalous delays for misguided reasons - the aid agencies are complaining that the aid is being delayed over these fears. Clinton's comments...

shafique

I produced a quote from a Jewish website which says that the Talmud has verses which say only Jews go to heaven. I have no reason to doubt this information, and for me that is sufficient to show that God's revelation in the Quran is not an inaccuracy. However, as you've often presented yourself as m...

shafique

No problem at all. Arnold's quote is quite comprehensive and in previous threads I've quoted Kennedy and a number of other historians who all agree with Arnold's descripiton and conclusions. Tell me what confused you in this answer? I take it we agree on the facts then: 1. Jizya is a tax (some argu...

shafique

Great, I'm happy you are agreeing with me more these days. I, along with the Saudi Authorities and this girl's mum share your views of this particular guy. I think there is a strong case to change the laws there. However, given that you never cease to try and link present day events with your views ...

shafique

You ask how I would have done things differently. Simple, I would have gone along with what the Guardian journalist observed - given priority to aid and not military - treat the people first and not blockade the ports. The US had troops on the ground, they were armed etc - and therefore it seems imm...

shafique

So, we wait for you to provide the quotes from the Talmud which say only Jews go to heaven and explain how God was wrong to state that Jews believed this. And for Ezra, you seem to concede that God does not say Jews worshipped Ezra, but that you infer this based on a 'logical argument'. Fair enough,...

shafique

I answered your challenge in my quotes above. Arnold's long quote suffices to establish that Jizya was a moderate tax and Muslims paid more. I also reminded you that I have referred you to Kennedy in previous threads, as well as other historians who all agree with Arnold's explanations and conclusio...

shafique

So, perhaps eh will answer this question now - does he agree with 18th century Christians who took the Bible literally and did not blame the Romans for killing Jesus, but put the responsibility on 'Jews'. I know that the Jewish historian Josephus makes a reference to Jesus and would not have written...

shafique

Did you read the two articles by the UK journalists? Was there really a need for a naval blockade, or for airplanes of medical equipment to be turned away? Anyway - your loyalty to the US military command is touching - but in the scheme of things, I'm not going to belabour the mistakes they are maki...

shafique

I'm not criticising the aid efforts that are taking place - the criticism is precisely that it was delayed for seemingly bizarre desire for security - I mean a naval blockade to prevent Haitians from leaving?? Anyway, it was the aid agencies that were complaining - perhaps they don't know what they ...

shafique

I know you are happy with your beliefs. However the question was whether you were going to address all the references Berrin gave you against your belief? I have to say, I was not aware of most of the refs Berrin gave, so I was looking forward to you looking into them and giving us reasons to doubt ...

shafique

So we agree that God only says Ezra was considered a ben elohim in the Quran. Cool - that's progress. If you look back, you will find I have quoted Newby on this point. I note you haven't produced any shred of evidence that the Jews did NOT consider Ezra a ben elohim (if anything, he is a poster boy...

shafique

Does it say eh-oh is evading the question once again? The Bible says Pilate's role in the killing of Jesus was to 'wash his hands' and the Jews took full responsibility of the suffering that they asked Pilate to inflict (Pilate, after all, wanted to set Jesus free). The Apostle's creed does not cont...

shafique

I see that arithmetic is not the only problem you are facing on the subject. I used the plural because I had referred you to Kennedy and other historians also - all who agree with what Arnold has written. Let's review the facts again, shall we: 1. Jizya is a tax (some argued it was more than this) 2...

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What has a naval blockade got to do with roads? And just to be clear, the criticism is of the military delaying aid reaching Haiti - not the distribution of the aid once in there (that is a slightly separate, but related, criticism - but not the one the aid agencies were complaining about) Cheers, S...

shafique

Why do you want me to concede to a point which Berrin's long list of references disputes? If Muhammad, pbuh, had murdered entire villages - women, children and oxen - like Moses is described in the Bible, then I would condemn that as a clear war crime. But it is a big if. Would you concede that if y...

shafique

I refer you to fact number 7 and also the challenge at the end of my last post.

If you can't find an expert who agrees with your belief - perhaps we should just chalk up this as a new Quaint Belief? Over to you.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Fine, you disagree with Newby - I don't. I stated a while back, the evidence on both sides has been presented - so now it is up to people to choose who to believe. At least we've clarified that God only says that Ezra is a ben elohim and that your strawman of Jews worshipping Ezra is a result of a '...

shafique

As I said before, we are all aware of what your 'beliefs' are and what you 'wonder' about is up to you. I do agree with you that Berrin's long list of references and arguments over-turn your view that Muhammad, pbuh, was a paedophile - and directly addresses the validity of the quotes you've just po...

shafique

I'm glad we've clarified that Arnold only gives the rates of the flat tax for dhimmis and that your assertion that non-Muslims paid less in taxes than Muslims is a result of your 'calculations', not an expert's. Did you flunk maths at school? (That was fact 7, fact 2 gives the amount of the jizya -...

shafique

You're not still going on about Ezra are you? I'm not asking you concede to anything - I've already said that you have a different 'belief' to myself and Newby (and that both sides have presented their arguments). You haven't shown that the Jews did NOT consider Ezra to be a ben elohim, and therefor...

shafique

I'm hoping that eh will also come out and share his views on Rapture with us - whether he's with us who think it's a kooky belief, or whether he's with those who believe this will happen.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Re: Haiti - some truths

Re: For berrin - historical inaccuracies in the Koran

Re: Jizya - poll tax

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Re: For berrin - historical inaccuracies in the Koran

Re: Jizya - poll tax

Re: 18th Century Beliefs

Re: Haiti - some truths

Re: Haiti - some truths

Re: 80 year old Saudi marries 11 year old girl

Re: For berrin - historical inaccuracies in the Koran

Re: 18th Century Beliefs

Re: Jizya - poll tax

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Re: Jizya - poll tax

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