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Ok - so we agree that the Muslim scientists did accurately measure the circumference of the earth in the 8th and 9th centuries. Not sure about the Columbus story though - sounds like you're saying he made a big rooster-up because he misread Muslim calculations? I know you cited the Apostle's creed -...

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I agree although I'm don't agree whether I would say an Atheist belief is based around faith. I do understand it from a religious perspective. For an Atheist, all that really matters is logic (instead of faith) that is expressed through proven laws of science and technology discovered and understoo...

shafique

Ok, request for a scholar/historian's view on Jizyah - here is an extract from such a person. The link gives the full text and also the references he uses (I've not included the footnotes in the extract, but the link gives all the footnote references). PREACHING OF ISLAM A History of the Propagation...

shafique

Kidnapping civilians and holding them hostage is just how I'm describing the kidnapping and holding of civilians who aren't accused of any crime. What motivates Israel to kidnap these guys isn't really the issue - if they commited crimes, all good and well - charge them. Holding them hostage without...

shafique

Flying Dutchman wrote:
Ah, OK, that explains it all...people in jail who are not trialed yet are hostages according to you.

Not quite - those held hostage without charge - i.e. held without even being accused of committing a crime.

It's a denial of a basic human right.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Just an aside - on the question of the execution in China, the Economist has a good article on it - and some interesting comments to the article: http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15174410 I have to say, the comment by the person who is bipolar made me stop and think! Che...

shafique

As I've said before, I will side with the Israeli Human Rights Organisation and others who denounce the hostage taking by Israel. If your logic was true, they would not then later release the hostages without charge or exchange some of them for hostages held by Palestinian groups. I also denounce Ha...

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Noam Chomsky lecture on Gaza, one year after the Israeli bombing. Some more plain talking analysis by Chomsky on the situation - with some interesting facts eg: - the campaign to split up the Palestinian territory and separate out Gaza from the West Bank (why etc) - the on-going war crimes of Israel...

shafique

I also applaud Israel's judiciary for trying to stop inhuman practices. They did it with torture, now they have to go all the way and stop holding people hostage - either charge them for crimes or release them. Now, I guess you may even agree with me that the Israeli crimes of murder are also violat...

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I also think we are in danger of forgetting what the thread was initally about - it was about Palestinian diplomatic efforts to make progress in the Peace Process - by exposing the fact that Israel is refusing to abide by the reasonable precondition that it should stop illegal colonies being built i...

shafique

Sheesh - do you have to increase the font size to large?

Welcome to the forum.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Thanks - some of your points I agree with, some others I don't. You're not a 'submitter' by any chance? A long time ago I had long discussions with a group who called themselves 'submitters' (as opposed to 'Muslims') and believed in a Quran code which was 'discovered' by a certain Rashad Khalifa and...

shafique

Thanks for clarifying - I too looked into the 19 code and the issue over the 'added verses' which needed to be removed to make the code work. However, let me see what your response is to an argument I put to 'submitters' when they are argued that we should rely on Quran alone and not consult 'sunnah...

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Israel made pre-conditions before it joined the Madrid peace talks (it required the UN to reverse a UN resolution) - and the world complied. The issue is now that the Palestinians are quite reasonably asking Israel to stop trying to change 'facts on the ground' by building colonial settlements in oc...

shafique

So, it is ok for Israel to ask for the UN to change a resolution before it will attend a peace conference, but not ok for Palestinians to ask Israel to stop breaking international laws! Fair enough - that's your opinion. I also note that you are trying to justify Israel's policy of murder/assassinat...

shafique

So, it is ok for Israel to ask for the UN to change a resolution before it will attend a peace conference, but not ok for Palestinians to ask Israel to stop breaking international laws! As I mentioned before, which is something you haven't addressed, is why this has in the past not been a blocking ...

shafique

but rather to the acts of murder where troops or bombs are used to kill Palestinians who don't pose an immediate threat. And when did that last happened according to you? Here's a handy list of the Israeli assassinations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations Cheers, Shafique

shafique

We need to keep this in perspective. Many, if not most, Muslim leaders denounced the violence that ensued in the protests over the cartoons. The protests against the cartoons was manufactured and stoked - it initially did not cause a big stir, eg when the cartoons were published in Egypt - not a sti...

shafique

I am eager to read about Islamic developments in society but I haven't found a recommendable one yet. Any writers with international allure that you could recommend about Islam and progression? If I may interject and give a couple of recommendations ;)? The first is a speech: The Contribution of Is...

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Not sure what the article above has to do with the documentary about Biblical beliefs - perhaps eh is trying to divert attention from the fact that he hasn't answered the question about whether he is one of the Rapture believers!

shafique

Perhaps another convert? : Warrant out for horse sex accused An arrest warrant has been issued for a Leicester man accused of having sex with a horse and a donkey, after he failed to turn up to court. Joseph Squires, 66, of Overpark Avenue, is charged with buggery of a donkey between February and Ap...

shafique

Cool, so we agree with Chomsky on the 21st century war crimes and agree that he too would condemn your imagined 7th century war crimes too (as I do).

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I'm glad we agree with Chomsky on today's war crimes being committed by Israel. You may want to brush up on your arguments when FD weighs in and says Chomsky is wrong. We'll gloss over what your 'I spy book on Orientalist Islam' quotes say about events from over a millenium ago - as this thread is a...

shafique

Interesting argument.

So do you believe in Rapture?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

My logic was quite straightforward - 2.129 says that the Prophet to be raised amongst the descendants of Ishmael was to +teach+ the book (this is what Abraham prays for). This is in addition to bringing the book. I agree that God's instructions to obey Muhammad, pbuh, is a more direct argument in fa...

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Yes - the official government story looks like spin, especially as the opposition have shown he was a supporter of the opposition. Seems a bizare way for the government to assassinate someone - but stranger things have happened. Let's see what eventually emerges about who was behind the bomb! He als...

shafique

Excellent- imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, as they say!

I couldn't have said it better myself...

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I did check the link and, I repeat, you now have a great opportunity to edit the pages and inform them of what you've discovered in this thread - that God only says Ezra was a ben elohim. Now I'm waiting to see whether you dig up those verses from the Talmud or whether we have yet another AMNT momen...

shafique

:bigsmurf: what did I say about taking a horse to water! ;) Did you even click on the links in my previous post? The last article is the most damning - but it appears you aren't actually interested in the Kurds after all, but rather want to exonerate Nato/Turkey and only blame Syria. Let me quote to...

shafique

Please refer back to my comments about selective quotes and inability to address the fuller account I've given. Ishaq doesn't spin the story as a bunch of unarmed diplomats, that's your imagination running overtime. Ishaq also does not say they were a. unarmed, b. not soldiers and c. did not attack ...

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