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I read today that Israel is planning a further 700 illegal colonial homes in East Jerusalem. The EU statement is to the point: The European Union said it was "dismayed" by the announcement. "Settlements on occupied land are illegal under international law," it said. http://news.b...

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I don't understand what your Quaint Belief about early Muslim military tactics has to do with the question about German Christians. Do you believe that 'war criminals' are worse or better than 'terrorists'? I presume you are saying that the German Christians are guilty of war crimes (but aren't terr...

shafique

I am surely repeating myself (I stated so in my first post).

So, are we now at the point where we agree that Jizya is a tax and that you just now need to be shown evidence that Muslims paid a higher tax?

Cheers,
Shafique

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I agree that God's laws are in the Quran and that God says that punishments shouldn't be harsher than the crimes committed. As with the Bible, God says in the Quran that clemency is also allowed. 'An eye for an eye' is a commandment from God that actually talks about restraint in punishments, but co...

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Hey, of course the US (and allies) don't admit to funding Al Qaeda and training Bin Laden - you don't expect them to admit it do you?? Robin Cook was explicit about the link and he (as a former Foreign Secretary) knew what he was talking about. Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscal...

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Terrorism is violence carried out by non state actors. I see that you are siding with the Israelis who also maintain that they can't be terrorists. I don't make a distinction between terrorists who wear uniforms and those who don't. I guess, that is just another point we have to agree to disagree. ...

shafique

Do I take it then that the answer the question below is 'yes'. So, are we now at the point where we agree that Jizya is a tax and that you just now need to be shown evidence that Muslims paid a higher tax? Great- but I'd like you to confirm - I don't want to be accused of jumping to conclusions. Che...

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Ha ha - as I said, you can ask FD about the attacks against the Yemeni rebels and how long they've been going on. I know you want to believe the US/ISI denials - no problems there. I just find Robin Cook, et al, more credible. Cook is quite specific, but good attempt to explain his words away. If yo...

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Sure thing - we should indeed compare - the Biblical punishment is actually harsher than the Quranic equivalent which emphasises clemency. Both are from God - and God presumably knew what He was doing when he said that punishments should be limited to the extent that you should not punish in excess ...

shafique

As I said, you are free to believe the US denials. I don't.

Cheers,
Shafique

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I don't understand why you are having trouble just confirming that we now agree that Jizya is a tax and need to compare whether Muslims paid more than non-Muslims. This is how I interpret what you have quoted above, but I just want you to confirm this. There is no need to re-value the sums paid to m...

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Well, the definitions for Terrorism I agree with do not exclude terrorist acts committed by State terrorists - they focus on the crime, not who commits them. Let me give you an example, Baruch Goldstein is a religiously motivated terrorist, who killed because of his Belief in the Bible. He was also ...

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Thanks for the clarification FD, but you are just repeating what I said about there being a distinction between the word 'apartheid' which means 'separation' and the legal definition of the crime of Apartheid. I also agree that the discrimination that Israel carries out that is labelled 'apartheid' ...

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Yes, annexing is an unilatral action that is unlawfull I think. Agreed. Therefore, the logic stands that any discrimination against non-Israeli residents in occupied East Jerusalem is illegal. And, as the EU statement clearly states - building homes is against international law. The fact that the i...

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But many people do not understand that Zionism, as put into practice , calls for an exclusivist state that leads to policies characteristic of apartheid , as defined by the UN. The UN doesn't characterise Zionism as apartheid or racism. Again, you use non-binding resolutions or resolutions that don...

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Thanks Berrin, but you know you're just inviting eh-oh to re-paste his quotes in favour of QB1 (taken from his I-spy book on Orientalist Islam)

http://www.amazon.com/Scholastic-Reader ... 0439680549

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Let me just quote the Israeli Human Rights group B'tselem on the issue: Policy of discrimination in planning, building and land expropriation The planning policy in East Jerusalem since its annexation in 1967 is affected by political considerations and infected by systematic discrimination against t...

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This shows again the cynical game Arabs are playing. They want the Palestians to suffer for their own political goals. I guess the hatred against Israel make people loose all their decency. You have a point - if the Arab leadership did what their populations wanted, more would be done to help the P...

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Hey, you asked what discrimination Israel was carrying out in East Jerusalem, I just quoted to you the first page of the whole section B'tselem devotes to the topic. I even highlighted the bit where they clearly state Israel is discriminating. Therefore, my logic seems to be sound: 1. Is Israel brea...

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Right, so Israel doesn't constitute apartheid, contrary to many other Arab countries. Israel's discrimination does not meet the strict legal definition of apartheid, just like Guantanamo does not meet the strict legal definition of violation of human rights (of holding people hostage without trial)...

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This quote should really belong in this thread: I read today that Israel is planning a further 700 illegal colonial homes in East Jerusalem. The EU statement is to the point: The European Union said it was "dismayed" by the announcement. "Settlements on occupied land are illegal under...

shafique

eh - credit where credit is due, a reasonable answer to Berrin's post. If you follow the logic of your questions, you should find that it will lead you to the reality of the teachings of Islam in relation to warfare. The wars for the expansion of territory were indeed costly, indeed it has always be...

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Wafa is being controversial - but controversy is good if people actually listen to the arguments on both sides and look for the truth. Unfortunately, there are some Muslims who do actually share the 'Islam means we need to be ruled by Sharia' and 'we need to fight to establish Muslim rule' philosoph...

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The issue was over your claim that Muslims paid more in tax than non-Muslims. Yes. This is a claim I made - and yes, but you are ignoring the logic behind this statement. I just wanted you to confirm that IF this is the case, then this poll tax cannot be viewed as discriminatory (negatively). Do yo...

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It is impossible for someone to be a true Muslim and a true American at the same time Would it not be the ultimate aim of islam to make America" a muslim state? Nope. Islam's ultimate goal is that a believer reaches spiritual union with God - a state where one's soul is at rest, God is pleased...

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I know it is frustrating for you that I am still emphasising that I want clarity on the principle before we look at the numbers. There has been much discussion previously on what Jizya is - and a denial by some that it is a tax. I want to clarify that it is a tax, and it can only be deemed discrimin...

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Once we look beyond the Fox News type headlines, you should find a relatively balanced reporting of the difference between Islam and the 'mad mullahs'. I'm from the UK too - and when I went back earlier this year, the mosques in London were enjoying an increase in numbers of non-Muslim visitors inte...

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This article seemed very apposite to this discussion. It reports about the views of American Muslims and also of the 'animizing' of Muslims by some sections of the media (and comes from the UK press!): How Muslim middle America made me feel safer Every time I enter the United States, I wonder what t...

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I totally condemn all criminal acts and don't make a distinction who carries them out. The hostages in Israeli jails are no different from hostages held by PA et al - both are illegal and should indeed be condemned. I have already agreed that I disagree with the characterisation of selling East Jeru...

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Ahh, I see, therein lies the problem. I'm referring to what God says in the Quran (and you have quoted the verse), and there God is saying that Ezra was considered a ben elohim by the Jews. Newby agrees. You don't. As to the strawman about Jews worshipping Ezra - as this is not in the Quran, I'm not...

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