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Cool, we agree that there is separation. Incidentally, the word translated into Afrikaans is 'apartheid' and as the article quoted above points out: Apartheid comes from Dutch. And apartheid and seperation/hafrada are two different things. What is the Afrikaans word for separation then? ;) (And, wh...

shafique

It is if it is being done in Occupied territory - again, I refer you to UN resolution 478 which states as a matter of Law that East Jerusalem is not part of Israel, and that Israel is breaking international law by acting as if it can legitimately discriminate against the legal residents of East Jer...

shafique

Really? Because I have to admit that I thought you were arguing that Luther hated Jews because they killed Jesus - and that you questioned my claim that Luther in the beginning, like Muhammad, tried to convert the Jews and defended them from blood libel claims and such, but that was probably becaus...

shafique

Simple really. No forced conversions took place at the orders or at the hands of the Holy Prophet, pbuh and the first 4 Khalifas. God forbids forced conversions in the Quran. I refer eh-oh back to the opinions of the historians who have written about the crimes and punishments of those who opposed t...

shafique

where did I say that you believed the Quran says that Jesus was crucified? Ok, I'll help you out. I said that historians reject the Koran's claim that Jesus was not crucified and replaced with another Jew. Sorry, you must not have read my question that you quoted above. I asked, 'where did I say yo...

shafique

I'm sorry - could you comment on why you don't believe that forcing the Jews and Christians out of the hijaz and najran if they did not convert to Islam are not examples of forced conversions but you believe the expulsion orders in reconquista spain were? It would be if it happened that way. Howeve...

shafique

shafique wrote:
So, do you or do you not agree with the Bible that the Romans were not responsible for killing Jesus, and the blame lies on the Jews (whether only the ones at the 'trial' or all Jews as Luther etc believed)?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I'm not aware of any Biblical teaching in regards to first cousin marriages. Exactly, the Bible only describes instances of cousins marrying and does not forbid first cousin marriages. The point I was making though - was about your feigned indignation that 'westerners' find first cousin marriages a...

shafique

(And, what is the English translation of 'apartheid'?) You gave quoted a definition for apartheid, I'll go with that. Apartheid is something different than seperation. Sorry, are you avoiding the question? Hmm - let me have a quick look to see if I can help you out with the English translation of t...

shafique

Yes, I have no problem at all with countries treating its own citizens different than non-citizens, duh. 478 is non-binding. 478 states that Israel is breaking international law - fact (which you haven't/can't dispute). Therefore the discrimination in East Jerusalem that you have 'no problem' with,...

shafique

eh-oh - what have I told you about believing everything you read (or cut and paste) from your I-spy book of Orientalist Islam? You're asking about forced conversions to Islam that you think occurred with the consent of the Prophet, pbuh, and Khalifas - yet these never happened. God says this is not ...

shafique

(Surely not another 'all mouth, no trousers' moment coming up??) Of course not. Excellent - so you will now show me where: Uhmm, you said the exact opposite when you claimed I had stated that the Koran says Jesus was crucified. My post and your response to my post is absolutely clear that you misre...

shafique

I'm ready to answer you question eh - just waiting for you to confirm your views on how old the earth is (in relation to what the Bible literally says vs science).

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

478 states that Israel is breaking international law - fact (which you haven't/can't dispute). And you cannot dispute it is non-binding, so it doesn't have nay relevance in the real world. The only relevance it has is that it falsifies Israel (and her supporters') pleas that it is not breaking the ...

shafique

where the Saudis etc are carrying out the crimes of apartheid Good, so you codemn KSA for the Muslim only roads then? Or is that question too uncomfortable for you to answer? If these were classified as crimes of 'apartheid' - then yes I would condemn any country carrying out apartheid. I would not...

shafique

Ah, many thanks for reminding us of the unanswered questions in this thread - notably, whether the LRA (claimed for Christendom by yourself eh) are 'genocidal' or just 'mass murderers' given the reports they killed 100,000. Now, to the 'German Christians' of the Third Reich: Do you concede that thes...

shafique

Merry Christmas and a Happy New year from me too!!

shafique

Thanks - an interesting read. I totally agree that Muslims should indeed study the Quran and not read it blindly - we should strive to understand what God commands and not necessarily follow what others say blindly. As for the second part about whether the Quran contains metaphorical verses - I'm al...

shafique

Huh? How is me stating the fact that God emphatically denies Jesus was killed by the Jews got anything to do with what you believe about the Quran? Well, it probably might have something to do with the fact that I said so myself in the previous post to yours. In other words, you can't back up you c...

shafique

Let's add another one. You really must do at least a bit of your homework eh-oh - really, the other boys and girls in your classes must be so frustrated with you! God is emphatic in the Quran that Jesus was not killed by the Jews. You yourself have quoted the verse before .. but let me repeat it for...

shafique

I see you are still presenting 'quaint belief No. 1' (QB1) as fact. http://www.dubaiforums.com/philosophy-dubai/handy-list-quaint-beliefs-t39802.html#p321473 Just for fun, starting next month, I'm going to keep a count of how many times you bring up QB1, QB2 etc We may even have a sweepstake for the...

shafique

Well, Christmas is over and the Muslim Convert terrorist count still stands at 4. I'm still a bit embarrassed at this low count, and will extend my offer to help get it to 10 indefinitely (i.e. I won't look to increase my numbers until I help our dear young friend out and get his figures into double...

shafique

Ok, let's call the belief below - No1 So, do you or do you not agree with the Bible that the Romans were not responsible for killing Jesus, and the blame lies on the Jews (whether only the ones at the 'trial' or all Jews as Luther etc believed)? Moving on to 18th Century Belief No2: 2. Do you believ...

shafique

Here's a photo of Hitler with the 'Bishop of the Reich' and Abbot Schachleitner http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/Hitler-with-Muller.jpg and here is one with a Nazi Christian chaplain with a machine gun: http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/chaplain-mg-unit.jpg And a lot more photos here: http://www.nobeli...

shafique

I said I would 'help' - not do +all+ the work for you.

Let me know which particular news story you want me to look into for terrorist number 5 - c'mon we have less than a week if we want to get your count up to 10 before the end of the year!

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Nope - this is a Koranic punishment. Or are you denying that this type of punishment cannot be administered as per the Koran? Nope? I commented that: Interesting that you interpret a return to Biblical punishments as 'blame' rather than a statement of fact. Are you denying that this is a return to ...

shafique

Hey, I too can quote to you the longer sections from wiki which contradict the US denials.

As I said, it comes down who you choose to believe.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I'll give you some time to do so and you can address what the author admits - that a majority of Muslim scholars viewed perpetual jihad warfare as an obligation for the Ummah. Jihad is obligatory under certain conditions. The contention between us is whether there are conditions where the lesser Ji...

shafique

You are missing the fact that all Israeli citizens are treated the same. I would not expect otherwise. All British Citizens are treated the same as well. However, if the Brits tried to discriminate between Brits and non-Brits in a piece of territory it just occupies - then that too would be illegal...

shafique

I merely am agreeing with B'tselem and the International community in condemning Israel's illegal discrimination. I understand that you are arguing that it is ok for Israel to discriminate and that it is not apartheid - as I said, we have to choose which argument to advocate. B'tselem is pretty clea...

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Re: For shafiqu - the Muslim interpretation of 9:29

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Re: 18th Century Beliefs

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Re: Apartheid Comparison - From those who know

Re: Palestine - Push for Independence

Re: Forced conversions and Muhammad

Re: For shafiqu - the Muslim interpretation of 9:29

Re: The Koran and the big bang

Re: Palestine - Push for Independence

Re: Apartheid Comparison - From those who know

Re: 'Christian Terrorists'

Re: Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year

Re: Toward Understanding the Qur’an

Re: For shafiqu - the Muslim interpretation of 9:29

Re: Handy List of Quaint Beliefs

Re: From Nigeria with love

Re: Christian vs Muslim convert terror counts - the results

Re: 18th Century Beliefs

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Re: Christian vs Muslim convert terror counts - the results

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