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Thanks - you give me the opportunity to quote Shaw in full - the quote Rao refers to appeared in a 'quote box' in the publication which published the interview (from which the full quote is taken below): I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality...

shafique

It is worth breaking down Shaw's statement (and showing why the 'headline writer' chose to summarise Shaw's words in the quote box (as quoted by Rao above) Let's see: I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appea...

shafique

You're welcome. It is always good to go back and quote people in full and in context - and read what they wrote/said. I am indeed very interested in Shaw's conclusions - especially where he reiterates/emphasises the fact that Orientalist views of Islam are now discredited. I suggest you re-read this...

shafique

I fully understand your reluctance to look at the statistics - that is why I only provided you with the links and the main stats and invited you to compare. It is no surprise you don't want to test your theories against reality - you've come a cropper in the 'Convert terrorist thread' and are stuck ...

shafique

Thanks, your peace plan idea is coherent and crystalises the Israeli desire to hold on to land captured in 1967. However, I think it is a great starting point for negotiations. Currently, what is holding up the negotiations is Israel's refusal to stop adding to the illegal (by international law) col...

shafique

It is interesting that despite the fatwa mentioned, that the Palestinian PM made it clear that Jews +are+ welcome in an independent Palestine, and will be treated as any other human being (and will be treated just like others holding the same passports as they do - be they Palestinian or Israeli etc...

shafique

Interesting quote. I can dig out loads of quotes from US presidents saying Saddam Hussein is 'our friend' - or even point to the training and support given to Bin Laden and the Mujahedeen. Shaw was passionately anti-war - this affected some of his judgments, but by your line of reasoning he should t...

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Shalom and Happy Hanukkah from me as well! I guess the art of irony isn't dead - I wonder how many crusaders (as in the avatar above) had similar sentiments to this thread? :bigsmurf: But then again, I do hope the many Jews I often refer to (and the ones I know personally) all have their prayers ans...

shafique

:roll: If you have a more recent count, feel free to update (with references). We are counting statistics, not unverified beliefs/headlines. I've only included in my count the people you agreed are Christian Terrorists - and I've invited you to confirm that my count is indeed an under-estimate. But ...

shafique

I pointed out that if you were interested in the truth, you'd put these into context Put what into context? The number of honor crimes carried out by fundamentalists of different faiths in the UK? The context is in the title of this thread - violence against women. I don't really care about the lab...

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Did you have something new to add? I fully understand your quaint desire to continue to live in the past and refuse to acknowledge that scholarship has moved on and recognised that: The medieval ecclesiastics, either through ignorance or bigotry, painted Muhammadanism in the darkest colours. They we...

shafique

It is worth repeating Shaw's quotes: I have studied him — the wonderful man, and in my opinion far from being an Anti-Christ he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a w...

shafique

shafique wrote: why are you reluctant to tell us whether you believe in Rapture or not?

This is a serious question - why the silence? I know many Christians who don't subscribe to this belief - and thus far only know of Americans who believe in this, so the continuing silence is intriguing.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Are you, perchance, trying to justify your views despite the fact that the statistics show that Islam does not, after all, produce more convert terrorists than other religions? This was your belief that you said we could verify by looking at the stats. We said we'd get the stats and let them talk fo...

shafique

For the Muslim perpetrators - let's see which religious scholar condoned their actions after they took place and said it was an act of a devout Muslim . We shouldn't take a non-Muslims interpretation of the Quran as a touchstone, but we should rather test out the quaint Orientalist view by asking t...

shafique

You have read all the posts?

Excellent.

So, was my answer about what God says about the crucifixion unclear?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Re-iterating the 18th century views about Islam is just a long way of saying that you are content to live in the past.

Fair enough. Let me now see what you have to say about other 18th century beliefs (in the other thread)

Cheers,
Shafique

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Which raised the interesting question - back then, there was no doubt that the Jews were responsible for the killing of Jesus - as this is explicit in the NT. And back then, it was a given that slavery was condoned by the Bible and that women shouldn't be given the right to vote (or divorce, or inh...

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leaving the rest of us who are 'not worthy' to witness the return of Jesus. That’s exactly why I asked him to verify how many Gods there are available to control us. Maybe a god for jews, god for christians, god for muslims…I guess each will take his turn for rapture! .... What’s so funny is that o...

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Nope. I just have an aversion to re-proving a point that you accepted. Let me quote you again: Friday October 2nd 2009, 9.38am (on page 1 of this thread) you said: Ok, fair enough. I certainly concede that NLFT are converts to Christianity. So, are you conceding defeat or are you going to argue that...

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I'm a fan of Sacha Baron Cohen from his early days as Ali G on the 11 O'Clock Show in the UK. However, he seems to be in a little bit of hot water over an interview in his film Bruno where he brands a Palestinian 'shopkeeper' as a 'Terrorist'. He repeats this description in promotional videos and th...

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I have to be honest - I did not know that ILA primarily leases land and only recently did it start selling off land. That is why I asked whether the quotes I pasted from Wiki (above) were accurate or not. I understand that the discrimination on land allocation is not enshrined in law, but that the j...

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Ok - that makes sense, and therefore what the journalists say is probably accurate. Those residents of East Jerusalem who choose not to take up citizenship of Israel (which is the occupying power under international law and certainly to the Arab residents there) are indeed not given access to use/le...

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Are you, perchance, trying to justify your views despite the fact that the statistics show that Islam does not, after all, produce more convert terrorists than other religions? This was your belief that you said we could verify by looking at the stats. We said we'd get the stats and let them talk f...

shafique

Dumbest poster ever. Charming. :bigsmurf: It reminds me of a quote from 'The Black Swan' by NN Taleb (pg279): An ad hominem attack against an intellectual, not against an idea, is highly flattering. It indicates that the person does not have anything intelligent to say about your message. Of course...

shafique

I'm continually fascinated that there are people like you who insist on living in the 18th century - yes, that is true. I'm just asking whether this quaint view of religious history only applies to Islam, or whether you also believe in what was believed of the Bible in the 18th century. The question...

shafique

Interesting article. If I recall correctly, there is a Hadith which says when a foetus (I'll use the English spelling ;) ) becomes an independent life form - I think it is 3 months when the 'rooh' descends into the foetus. Before then it is alive, but part of the mother's body and not an independent...

shafique

I thought we agreed that Israel shouldn't be above the law. Excuses for Israel acting like a rogue state, doesn't change the fact it is acting like a rogue state. Iran has signed up to international conventions on non-proliferation (NPT), for example - but Israel isn't and has WMD and has invaded it...

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All credit is due to the mother and the authorities for looking into this.

Shocking and funny that the 'groom' wonders what all the fuss is about!

Cheers,
Shafique

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