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Ok, let me do some of your homework for you. The last time we had a count of Muslim convert terrorists was October 23rd 2009: .... It should be straightforward to produce your count eh - it was previously 1 terrorist, 26 killed. Therefore your updated count is 4 convert terrorists (counting 2 for th...

shafique

Nice try at deflection - but this thread is about Rapture. Sure, I believe that those who believe in Rapture (i.e. that they will disappear just before Jesus descends) base this belief on the Bible. Yes, as a Muslim, I don't believe that people will just disappear - vanish into thin air - unless it ...

shafique

Whilst I don't agree with some of Muir's other interpretations about historical events -notably the 'satanic verses' incident, it is interesting to read what he concluded after studying the historical evidence about the Holy Prophet's, pbuh, character traits: SIR WILLIAM MUIR The following descripti...

shafique

Nice try. If you want to believe religious Muslims batter their wives because Islam teaches them it is ok, that is up to you. I have no inclination to dig out reports or statistics that you wont read. It is interesting that instead of answering when I asked you a specific question about whether you ...

shafique

event horizon wrote:
That was very nice. Perhaps roadtester believed you until the relevant Koranic verses and hadith were posted?

Perhaps he did. Or perhaps he (like you) won't read your posts either.

But let's be fair, did you read through all the bits you pasted this time?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Ahh, another attempt to dismiss the considered opinions of people (well, scholars actually) who actually read through references rather than cut and paste them without reading/understanding.

Interesting that.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Cool - I was half expecting you to argue you know better than Muir. Muir describes the Satanic verses incident and gives his view. I happen to think his interpretation of the incident there is wrong - you may not. He also gives his considered conclusions on the character of Muhammad, pbuh, which I'v...

shafique

Shall we wait and see what roadster's answers are?

You didn't confirm that this time you had actually read what +you+ posted?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

You could have just said that you won't answer my question (again)!

I see that you are trying your hand at irony again. Good attempt.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I agree, the increase in crimes against Muslim women by Muslim men is to be deplored. 256 incidents (of which 131 are crimes) are 256 incidents too many. The UK Home Office has produced a report on Domestic Violence for 2008/9: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/dom-violence-delivery-plan-08-09 ...

shafique

Are you in denial FD, or do you just want to 'wish away' the fact that the Palestinian Prime Minister is not living up to the Israeli spin that they want a 'Jew-free Palestine'? So, FD says the PA want a Jew-free Palestine, and yet can't come up with a quote to back this up. On the other hand, this ...

shafique

The Prime Minister of Palestine is quite clear - Jewish Palestinian citizens are not going to be discriminated against. This is hardly a desire for a 'Jew free' Palestine. I asked you for evidence for your belief, you gave a vague reference to Erekat and on investigation he only said he wants foreig...

shafique

Sure Fayyads words indicate his goal is not a jew free Palestine. I guess this is progress. His words sounds pretty hollow though, considering the fact is government is endorsing the death penalty for Palestinians selling property to jews? Do you condemn that policy? Yes, of course I condemn any po...

shafique

FD - perhaps you can clarify, I couldn't find a law/fatwa that said it was illegal to sell lands to Jews. I could find the PA passing laws saying it was illegal to sell Palestinian land to foreign nationals, and especially nationals of the occupying Israeli power. They classify this as treason and s...

shafique

Yes, I agree. I would call it 'mullahism' rather than returning to the basics of Islam. As I said, it is analagous to the Christian Middle Ages where the clergy justified things such as Jewish slaughter (eg the women, children and men of York - who were massacred) using the Bible. That had little to...

shafique

So you are avoiding the question about MEMRI (who edited and translated the video you are presenting as evidence). That speaks volumes. Cheers, Shafique Shafique, you seem like a smart guy...but your ignorance is showing volume now mate! Ignorance about what in particular? That the MEMRI video in q...

shafique

:lol: Isn't it funny how eh is trying desperately to change the subject and divert attention away from the subject of this thread? It appears he can't bring himself to answer the question about a belief that Christians have that is based on the Bible - I understand his dilemma. If he says he doesn't...

shafique

No probs mate - happy to clarify.

(It shows the old adage about not wrestling with pigs - you both get covered in the proverbial and no one can tell the difference! But I seem to be addicted to troll baiting!

)

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

eh-oh, how much of what you've pasted in this thread have you actually read this time?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Nope - happy for you to compare apples to apples - you were the one who introduced stats for the numbers of honour killings in this thread. I just put these horrendous incidences into perspective, relative to the total numbers of women in the UK subject to abuse. Do you want to compare the numbers o...

shafique

:mrgreen: I'm actually half-wishing Rapture was true - at least then there's a chance you'd vanish! :mrgreen: Ah, but seriously - why are you reluctant to tell us whether you believe in Rapture or not, and why are you not asking questions about Ghulam Ahmad etc in the other threads you started on th...

shafique

A few people have expressed views that the Palestinians do themselves more harm than good when the protests/struggle against injustices takes the form of violence. A few people here have suggested non-violent protests should be the main focus. I have some sympathy for this view and do believe that a...

shafique

A good article by a non-Muslim professor: http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet-rao.html .. Even a hostile critic like Sir William Muir speaking about the Holy Quran says that, "There is probably in the world no other book which has remained twelve centuries with so pure text." ...

shafique

This summary of what Islam is comes from an article by a non-Muslim professor, entitled 'Mohammad, the Prophet': http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet-rao.html It's one of the better summaries of what Islam is and describes the spiritual goal of one-ness with God and peace: In spite of fr...

shafique

Interesting views. Also interesting that you introduced statistics and yet fail to follow through and put the stats in perspective. Whoever commits violence against women is condemned by most here on the forum - regardless of motive or religion. When 2 in 5 women face domestic violence, it seems pre...

shafique

You can try and change the criteria until you're blue in the face - the fact remains that your latest count is 4 and dates from October! As for the National Holy Army of the NLFT, may I remind you (again) what your conclusions were: Friday October 2nd 2009, 9.38am (on page 1 of this thread) you said...

shafique

You want me to confirm whether the quotes you posted from 1999 were written by me? Are you sure I haven't already replied to this? I have asked you a few times now whether you've actually read what has been posted in this thread - whether it is by you or me. You seem to be avoiding this question. As...

shafique

Shafique, you are very good at contradicting yourself with the articles you copy/paste from, I must say. Did you read your copy/paste? Yes. Do you? I believe I commented on what I pasted - perhaps you didn't read those posts? I couldn't help but notice that you've made reference to Thomas Jefferson...

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