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event horizon wrote:Actually, if I am not mistaken, we were comparing all converts to other religions with converts only to Islam.

From pg 2 of this thread.

Note the 'other religions'. LRA meets the criteria set by you eh.

Now, I look forward to your updated stats.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Another country, like Egypt, which gets a lot of support from the US and also has the same problems of violence against women as the US. Strange coincidence that. It is also a shame that they are abandoning the Islamic principles that forbid violence against others (despite the quaint views of some ...

shafique

I don't see what the fuss is about - eh quoted a survey which says that if the men followed Islamic principles the harrassment would stop. Seems like a fair conclusion to me. Thanks for eh-oh pointing out that the wise teachings of Islam for men are all that is needed for peace in society - as it en...

shafique

I totally agree that your imagined early Muslim war crimes are greater than current Israeli crimes of hostage taking of women and children. It is interesting that rather than condemning this hostage taking outright, you try and deflect attention from them. This is understandable for Israeli fanbois....

shafique

Pretty weak argument eh-oh, especially as you set the initial parameters. LRA are converts, and are terrorists and as you said in this thread - the parameters are indeed converts to other religions other than Islam. The LRA are using the Bible and do consider themselves Christians - but to the rest ...

shafique

My issue is that you probably have only 'read a bit' - going by previous posts, you don't actually read through the long quotes you give, as your summaries tend to be contradicted by what you have posted. This particular topic seems to be something you are interested in, so you've posted some posts ...

shafique

eh-oh quoted a survey which showed 60% of women in Cairo are subject to daily harrassment. Then eh-oh jumped to the wrong conclusion that this was because of Islam, directly contradicting the authors of the survey's report he quoted from. His agenda is clearly Islamophobic and hypocritical (he refus...

shafique

Did I ever say it did not also mean 'health'?

Anyway - good to see that the misconceptions are slowly clearing.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Do you think the LRA are Christians and want to establish a Christian theocracy? In my book they aren't, hence why I was counting all their adherents as converts. If you believe they are actually Christian terrorists -then perhaps I was wrong to include them in this thread and should have added them...

shafique

:) So, let me repeat my count: In the meantime, this thread is about stats, so let me repeat my updated count (and we haven't really begun to plumb the depths of the LRA atrocities yet): Total number of Terrorist carrying out attacks: 332 Total killed by these: 647 Total reported injured :388 Has y...

shafique

Great, we've finally established that a meaning of Islam is peace. I agree it secondary to the primary meaning of submitting to the will of God (and God is peace, as we all know - unless you are one of these wierd Bible bashers who take the Bible literally). But a bit off subject at the moment - exc...

shafique

Islam is the active participle of the verb 'aslama' and their meanings all derive from the root s-l-m. In all the quotes you've given, the meaning of Islam is shown to be that of 'Aslama' (the verb) - and in any case is a short-cut to the full meaning which is 'way of life chosen by those who submit...

shafique

Huh? Did Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claim to be Stephen as well? You asked a question in the title of this thread, you posted some long articles which I've no evidence you've actually read. I'm still interested in reading your summary of what Memon says to counter the arguments in the articles you've posted...

shafique

I don't have any issues with you disagreeing with the experts who concluded otherwise - I just agree with them that the harrassment is taking place despite the teachings of Islam, not because of them. I can't see any instruction in the Quran which says it is ok to grope women in the street. I'll hap...

shafique

Aslama is the verb, Islam is the active participle - both have the same meanings (except one for labelling 'doing things' - i.e. is the verb and the other is for describing the doer of the action) Sheesh. As Melika has confirmed to you, Islam indeed means 'peace'. She has used 'health', when I think...

shafique

It doesn't look good in the short run, I have to say.

The fundamentals always come into play - borrow and eventually you have to either pay up or disappoint your creditors.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Thanks Melika for clarifying - I hadn't seen 'health' as a meaning of 'aslama', but had seen 'security' - hence why I asked. It is interesting to know that this is also another secondary meaning - so 'Islam is a peaceful and healthy religion' is a valid statement. I agree that the primary meaning is...

shafique

I think you are mistaking two different issues. This thread is about the meaning of the word Islam. As you say, the meaning of my name 'Shafique' is indeed 'friendly and sympathetic'. Whether I live up to the meaning does not change the fact that the meaning of Shafique is 'friendly etc'. The whole ...

shafique

Nope - no need for this to be the end of the discussion -as I said, whether Islam's teachings live up to the meaning of the word is the intention of the other thread 'Islam and Terrorism'. There it explains what Islam's teachings are about causing harm to others etc. I guess, to be more correct, I s...

shafique

A new thread to discuss Islam's teachings on violence etc. Let me quote the concluding paragraph first (as some people did not get to the end of the article the last time I posted this): It is our belief that not only Islam, but no true religion, whatever its name, can sanction violence and bloodshe...

shafique

I need to update the statistics on the numbers killed by the LRA since the Christmas massacres in 2008. This BBC report puts the numbers massacred at 900 - so I need to update my figures as I only counted 400. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7926173.stm Total number of Terrorist carrying out attac...

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Interesting article - I like the quote: It is true that there is plenty of material in the Koran that is more egalitarian than the western Christian tradition, which was heavily influenced by the misogyny of Greek thought. Perhaps the most fundamental is that the Islamic God does not have a gender. ...

shafique

That's a great quote from the article - and accords with my view that no one should believe in anything that is illogical or unjust. For me the point is that no man can treat two wives absolutely equally - and there is therefore an element of injustice in polygamy - but it is a lesser evil when ther...

shafique

Hey, if it was up to me I'd go back to the 1948 borders that the UN voted and agreed upon - even though that was not an equitable division! But then again, whatever I think doesn't change the fact the Israelis are the ones who aren't agreeing to implement the Arab Peace Plan which offers them peace ...

shafique

If you read what I wrote, I made a distinction between the revelations vouchsafed to Muhammad, pbuh, by God which are indeed faultless, and the other actions/thoughts etc of Muhammad, pbuh, the man. There is an incident in the Quran where God admonishes Muhammad, pbuh, for showing impatience on his ...

shafique

I understand you have strong views about Islam, but let us keep in mind that the original article above was about the views Muslim women had about the religion and whether it liberates them or not. My statement above was just a statement of fact - that the Quran and Hadith records the fact that the ...

shafique

I forgot to address your point that you believe Islamic consensus is that Noah is an infallible prophet (along with others). You say that I must not have read the Quran if I conclude that Noah was fallible. My argument would be that God is clear in the Quran that Noah is fallible: 011.045 And Noah c...

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Some maps illustrating the point: British era Palestine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/img/british_mandate_300.gif UN Partition plan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/img/1947_un_partition300.gif 1...

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Hey, the Palestinians have said they won't discriminate against any citizens of Palestine, regardless of religion. The protests are understandable in light of the fact the sites are in illegally annexed territory. I understand your MO is to avoid questions and post long obfuscating cuts and pastes w...

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Ah, Berrin - he's asking you whether you agree with his cuts and pastes detailing an outdated view of Islam that modern day scholars such as Prof Hans Kung rejects. Well, I personally am with Prof Kung who says that Muhammad, pbuh, is a Biblical prophet of God (and Prof Kung is an ordained Catholic ...

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