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Thanks shafique - it's always interesting to read more on Christian terror attacks, including attacks where there have been no arrests or suspects (just go ahead and assume Christian 'fundamentalists' carried them out I spose) and a 'hijacking' of a flight by a priest who wanted to warn the Mexican...

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As with Baruch Goldstein, the spin machine in Israel is working overtime and a defence of 'mental illness' is being proferred to justify the actions of an American immigrant Jewish terrorist. That said, many normal Israelis share the sentiments of normal humans - and are horrified and condemn the ac...

shafique

I agree that crucifixion is a painful punishment and as a means of putting someone to death is indeed cruel. God has indeed listed crucifixion in the Quran in a list of punishments which range from banishment to death - so in that context crucifixion is not used as a means of execution but rather as...

shafique

But - it appears you still have an internet connection in the mother ship.

Is this 'Ghulam' a fellow believer in Rapture of yours?

Cheers,
Shafique

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I agree, in the US and Europe wife beating is indeed not only a crime but socially unacceptable. I dispute the impression that people have that Muslims are less intolerant of the crime, but I was also making another point. Despite the social inacceptability of wife beating, the stats of 1 in 5 women...

shafique

Are you having trouble adding up your count?

I'll happily add them up for you - can you list the additional actual terrorist converts since the last time we had a count?

Cheers,
Shafique

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Again, I find more that I agree with than disagree. I'm familiar with the stats from Egypt and there is definitely an issue there. The BBC ran a news item on the case - and highlighted that one of the issues was that men were finding it hard to raise the necessary cash to get married and the age of ...

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There are quite a few aspects of Saudi laws which have nothing to do with Islam - I'm surprised that you are unaware of this. It is also interesting how much you are extrapolating from an Australian news report. I've heard of news reports that Saudis have displayed the beheaded body of criminals in ...

shafique

I see you are having problems with your count. My count is up to date and counted all the Chrisitan converts who killed in futherance of their cause (and were members of the ' National Holy Army') - and further more, my count is an underestimate because I only counted two per incident where 'terrori...

shafique

Ah, I get it - your belief in rapture makes as much sense as a guy claiming to be Mary and becoming pregnant and giving birth to himself. I'd have to agree - Rapture appears to me to be a wierd belief, and yet those who hold it base it on the Bible. I look forward to your explanation of why you agre...

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So you continue to refuse to condemn a white American Jewish terrorist who killed in the name of the Bible. Is it because you think only Muslims or Arabs can be terrorists, or are you just one who celebrates when Muslims are killed by people who believe in Goldstein's view of the Bible? Cheers, Shaf...

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I hope there won't be protests - but lets see. I don't recall anyone being offended or protesting against 'the Message' - and it's been Muslims who have been telling me to watch it. Mel Gibson's passion of Christ just followed the narrative that is in the New Testament - unfortunately in the past 50...

shafique

So you denounce those who believe in Rapture just because it is in the Bible?

Fair enough - we both choose which parts of the Bible to believe and which parts to dismiss.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Why do you find it so hard to denounce Goldstein as a Western religious terrorist who killed because of his Biblical beliefs?

(That was rhetorical - we know the reason you side with those who venerate him and similarly refuse to denounce him)

Cheers,
Shafique

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I understand that you believe you are an authority on Islam despite admitting you haven't actually read the whole Quran - but hey, no problems mate. It is always amusing to meet guys with quaint ideas. The evidence you are looking for is in the books you say you have and have read, such as 'Great Ar...

shafique

Have you conceded defeat, or are you just having difficulty counting beyond 6?

What is your updated count?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

My count (remains) 232 actual terrorists, 267 killed. (Or 233 terrorists and 10,267 if we include Tony Blair and only count 10,000 civilians killed in Iraq) What is your latest count? All the ones I've counted are Christian terrorists (and my count is an underestimate) - I've given you the list of ...

shafique

As I keep saying, if you disagree with my count - please let me know which of the 232 I counted you disagree with and give us your count of the attacks done by the 'national holy army' rather than those by the breakaway faction (both are terrorists btw). You should find that your count is higher tha...

shafique

It is both sad and encouraging to hear the news - sad that the feather got away with it, and encouraging that news about locals is positive here - especially as it was a case of another Arab against a westerner. It's good to hear the good news stories once in a while (concerning Emiratis). Cheers, S...

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"The film will educate people about the true meaning of Islam," he said. Alnoor said it wanted to attract the "best international talent" to star in the movie. Oh dear, I guess we'll have more of the 'we know what Islam is truly about' lines from those who continue to live in th...

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Interesting that when Sunnis suppress Shia there seems to be US support for this - and little is heard from Washington about democracy in Shia majority areas of the region. That the Saudis are jumping in to help the Yemeni government against Shia (and the 'Iran' card being played yet again) isn't su...

shafique

My figures only include Christian Convert Terrorists - as I said, you can check and confirm. What is your count? (Why are you avoiding the question - the last count you gave was only 6 or 7) I guess that the stats are causing you concern - it's a shock when reality doesn't live up to a 'belief'!! Ch...

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What was that - did you say something about posting something not relevant to this thread about Christians who kill people because of their views from the Bible? Surely not. (And you didn't explain your obsession either - but then again, you didn't explain why you refuse to condemn Goldstein and whe...

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Well, the Chinese are responsible for spreading Islam to many parts of the Far East - notably the great Admiral Zing He - not surprising that amongst all the Muslims there today there will be some that will be singled out and selectively quoted by the Orientalist brigade. ;) But hey - it is an inter...

shafique

I went through the list, started at one, then went to two etc until I exhausted the list. I told you what I included and excluded. I understand that whilst you have only got to 6 and are refusing to update your count, you are a bit daunted by going through the hundreds of incidents listed to verify ...

shafique

:roll: I couldn't see either an updated count for you, or any correction to my underestimate of Christian convert terrorists. I fully understand your reticence to count your numbers - or to back up your contention that my figures are over-estimates (when in fact the opposite is true) - but hey until...

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Well, you could have two actresses to portray the young girl and also the grown woman who led an army into war and was revered as one of the great reporters of Hadith into her old age. I guess that the 'true message'of Islam will also dispel the slanders against the Prophet, pbuh, in respect of his ...

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Still patiently waiting for you to stop believing Orientalist spin and get with the 21st century authors you say you have read!

Cheers,
Shafique

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I'll wait for your updated count then. My count is complete and only contains those terrorist acts carried out by Christian converts and only includes actual terrorist acts, rather than those 'suspected'. They, like the Chechens, were part of the 'National Holy Army'who want to establish a Christian...

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