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My count (remains) 232 actual terrorists, 267 killed. (Or 233 terrorists and 10,267 if we include Tony Blair and only count 10,000 civilians killed in Iraq)

What is your latest count?

Cheers,
Shafique

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Wise words Roadster.

Cheers,
Shafique

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You are quite welcome. As I said, the intial posts comparing the Biblical with Quranic injunctions are there for all to read and digest (albeit they are lengthy). I'm sure it hasn't escaped everyone's notice that you are trying to change the subject... but hey, I foresaw that! ;) Cheers, Shafique

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It's always good to find points of agreement - even imaginary ones :) You can test out your theories about women when you get married - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and will assume you've passed puberty. ;) Did your parents spare the rod, perchance? But seriously - thanks for posting the v...

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A reminder for eh that we await his clarification on why he refused to condemn Goldstein as a religiously motivated terrorist.

Cheers,
Shafique

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I'm also currently reading John Pilger's 'Hidden Agenda' - fascinating reading. What that shows is that the support of oppressive regimes is hardly something new, but actually the normal M.O. for the US and others. Some truly shocking exposes in there and his other books and documentaries. I also re...

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^ I haven't heard of the one in Africa - pray tell. I must have missed this story. I've also studied quite a few claimants of prophethood - from Joseph Smith, Bab, Bahullah (although, to be fair, he claimed to be a manifestation of God) - and even met some high up guys in the Sai Baba organisation (...

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^ You're right. eh, some time back, started a thread about how UK muslims were taking ads out in Pakistan to explain the point that the UK and the West generally isn't as Islamophobic as some may want to believe. I said this was a good thing - but bizarely his line was that the media in the west had...

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Thought provoking article - from Israel. As discussed elsewhere, it is probably the kind of article that wouldn't be published in US media - but it is from the Jerusalem Post. Rattling the Cage: Some victims we are 10.28.2009 | The Jerusalem Post The kill ratio was 100-to-1 in our favor. The destruc...

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The Goldstone report calls for both Hamas and the Israeli Government to investigate the instances of alleged war crimes committed by each party. As Haaretz reported, Hamas has said it will comply with this request: Last update - 15:31 27/10/2009 Meshal: Hamas ready to probe Goldstone report By Haare...

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Taken from the Wiki entry for the splitting of the moon: Annemarie Schimmel for example quotes the following from Muslim scholar Qadi Iyad who lived in Ceuta in Spain:[8] It has not been said of any people on the earth that the moon was observed that night such that it could be stated that it was no...

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Ah, trusty old Google. Here's an article explaining how the moon can appear to be split into two - and be only visible to a limited number of people. (It's debunking a theory that the medieval account is describing a bigger impact, but states as to how the apparent splitting of the moon witnessed co...

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The miracle of the splitting of the moon is in the Quran and also in Hadith. This is completely analagous with the miracles described in the Bible - such as the sun being stopped in its tracks to help help Joshua, or Jesus walking on water, Moses parting the Red Sea etc etc The reports of an Indian ...

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So you think that all Muslim women are covered from head to toe? :shock: That explains a lot. As I said, you'll have a different perspective once you are old enough to date and especially when you get married! I'm judging the women by what they said, and similarly judging the guy from what he said. ...

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Was my question difficult - your count is around 10 now, so surely you can give us an update. Take off your shoes if you having difficulties counting above 10 :wink: But seriously - this whole discussion was started because you believed the Fox News headlines were an accurate reflection of reality a...

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Like all previous Islamphobic Orientalist rants the 'analysis' reflects a misguided and discredited view of Islamic teachings rather than reality. It's exactly the same as someone arguing that the European anti-Semitic attacks (recent and distant) are a reflection of Jesus' teachings. Of course it i...

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You'd have more credibility if you didn't refuse to condemn Baruch Goldstein and didn't have the other quaint views about historical facts (such as the Bible not containing any contradictions). As I said above, it is your spin that exposes your Islamophobic views. If you were against all terrorism -...

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So you assume the women weren't Muslim - because they weren't wearing 'muslim garb'. That speaks volumes. I presume then you think that the virgin Mary was Muslim because she wore a headscarf? ;) It appears that you are projecting your views onto what the video is showing - a discussion amongst some...

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Let's not forget that the panel discussion from 2004 was filmed in Qatar, was heavily edited by Memri, and only shows one of the men on the panel speaking (the others' comments are all edited out). The man shown speaking in the Memri clip is a lawyer, not an Islamic scholar. (Going by eh-oh's stereo...

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I'm hopeful that eh will finally come out one of these days and tell us why he chooses to not condemn Goldstein as a religious terrorist who killed innocents because of his interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps he'll clarify whether he is one of those who venerates Goldstein's actions in occupied Pal...

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Yawn - the point was that you don't condemn Jewish Terrorism. But let's see - I've asked you quite a number of times to clarify your stance on Baruch Goldstein... perhaps this time you have joined me in condemning him and those who support his terrorism in the name of the Bible. Cheers, Shafique

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I understand your frustration - you thought you had uncovered an Islamic expert who corroborated your view of Islam - but a youtube video edited by Memri and which has one lawyer giving his views about what constitutes 'discipline' rather than battery, is hardly conclusive evidence. But hey - you se...

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Thanks, I've made clear what I base my belief on - the web sites of the supporters of Baruch Goldstein and all the news reports of the time which detail that the religious American Doctor and Israeli citizen committed his actions in the name of Judaism. I see that you continue to refuse to condemn h...

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This list was brought to my attention - a whole bunch of terror cells in the USA: http://www.commonplacebook.com/current_events/politics/christian_terro.shtm And this of another Christian terrorist from 2007 (again in the US - there seems to be a rich seam of Bible-basing-bombers there!): http://www...

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Rapture is a concept in Christianity that fascinates me ever since I saw an episode of Law and Order which dealt with a church who believed in this concept. In brief, the belief that is before the second coming of Jesus - those 'deserving' Christians who are truly following Christianity will be whis...

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Why do you want me to condemn Biblical punishments for crimes? I understand that you are comfortable with picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to reject, we Muslims don't have the luxury of either selectively taking Quranic verses out of context nor rejecting Quranic verses as fabricated in...

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Roadtester - yes I have heard about the PNAC, and its amazing how many of the authors made it to positions of power and how much of what they wrote about Bush et al implemented. Neo-cons get a bad rap these days - but ultimately it looks like they got their way and thus far Obama hasn't done much to...

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A while back I presented the published stats on violence (including rape and battery) against women in the home - in Europe the rate was 20%. This happened in jurisdictions where it is a criminal offence - so criminalising these acts does not eliminate this crime. A major factor was drinking - and t...

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It is fascinating to see your continual to refuse to condemn this white Jewish terrorist who killed in the name of religion. You even now refuse to confirm whether you are one of those who celebrate his actions. (They also argue that it is 'unfortunate' he had to kill the muslim worshippers - as the...

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^eh - no I don't think they'll be covering the Crusades, those events took place long after the Prophet's, pbuh, time. But then again, it is apt that you are thinking of 'special effects' - these are often used for films about fantasies. ;) Roadtester - there was a hollywood film called 'The Message...

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