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It was a simple question - a comparison of the Quranic injuctions on religious freedom with the entries in the Talmud which say non-Jews should be killed if they study the Torah. Arguing that later Jewish scholars dis-owned these instructions merely shows that they came round to the Quran's way of r...

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Asked and answered. The events described in the canonised Bible which relate to Pauline Christianity's fundamental beliefs (eg divinity of Jesus, whether Christians need to follow Judaic laws including circumcission etc) are not historically accurate because the original texts were later modified by...

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Wrong thread - and incidentally answered in the relevant thread (a few times already). The NT contains fabricated verses inserted by Pauline Christians. No one seems to dispute this. These fabrications were inserted to falsify the historical record in relation to what Jesus taught. Gibbon showed tha...

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It is fascinating to see how an Islamophobe manifests their prejudice. So you believe Quran allows a man to beat his wife for not making dinner, as long as he warns her a few times and then waits for a period, and then administers the punishment!! How old are you? I'd hazard a guess you aren't marri...

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Thanks for not disagreeing on the main point - Gibbon showed that Pauline Christians had inserted false verses into the Bible to distort the historical account and justify their theological point of view vis-a-vis Jewish Christians. Do you disagree? You seem to be confusing the canonised Bible's ver...

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Was my question difficult?

Do you really believe that the Quran teaches what you say it does on this subject?

Seriously, how old are you and are you married?

Cheers,
Shafique

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shafique wrote:
You seem to be confusing the canonised Bible's version of the NT texts with that actually written by the original authors of the NT - and other authors of gospels that didn't make it to the canon.

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Yes, I watched it - I've seen many Memri videos of the same ilk. I asked you - how old are you and are you married. It does have a bearing, for I'd only guess a young Islamophobe would argue that the Quran does indeed teach this - (but Islamophobes generally would believe MEMRI accounts as true or a...

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This thread asked about Gibbon's evidence that the NT was not historically accurate. He showed that Canonised Bible contains forged verses in the NT which distort the historical account. QED. I understand you want to ask other questions and that you don't dispute the above facts. Knock yourself out....

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Are you ashamed of your age and the fact you aren't married? I'm with the Muslim women on the panel on this one - they know the Quran as well as the guy, and he's expressing his opinion on how to implement this verse and what constitutes actions which merit physical discipline after verbal warnings....

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So Rabbi Eliezer disowns what is in Sanhendrin - I applaud that, and you are right, there were some enlightened Rabbis before the rise of Islam. Thanks for the reminder. It does not change the fact that it is written in the San. verse quoted that non-Jews should be killed for reading the Torah. And ...

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Which NT accounts - the original ones penned say before the end of 2nd century CE or those that were canonised and contained fabricated verses? How about the gospels (both those that were and that weren't destroyed by Pauline Christians) and were penned in the 1st and 2nd C CE - but didn't make it t...

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Indeed - I haven't read the Talmud, only the Bible proper and the quote given above which states that non-Jews should be killed for studying scripture. I've noted that you don't dispute this is an accurate quote, only that it is also a teaching that some Jews believe shouldn't be followed. Fair enou...

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I'm glad we agree that there are misogynistic passages in the Bible that can be used to justify wife beating. If you do one of your usual google searches, you'll find many references to what Muslims believe is acceptable physical punishment for a husband to administer to a wife, and for what actions...

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I didn't say all contemporary gospels were burnt, but asked whether these gospels would count as contemporary accounts of what happened in the early communities that followed Jesus' teachings. A simple question. As was the question as to which NT you are referring to - the unadulterated earliest man...

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Thanks for the headlines - but I'm a little amused and perplexed at your on-going reluctance to add up your total of actual terrorists who were Muslim converts. My count (remains) 232 actual terrorists, 267 killed. (Or 233 terrorists and 10,267 if we include Tony Blair and only count 10,000 civilian...

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Indeed - 'nuff said about the Talmud. An undisputed quote that non-Jews should be killed if they read the Torah is sufficient for this thread.

So, can we get back to the main issue of the Quran's superior teachings on warfare etc when compared with the Bible?

Cheers,
Shafique

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From the Daily Show - Jon Stewart interviews a Jewish American and a Palestinian politician: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-28-2009/exclusive---anna-baltzer---mustafa-barghouti-extended-interview-pt--1 (First of two parts) Not often these guys get their views onto US television. Notab...

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^ I should really stop being surprised that the web keeps throwing up websites that cover every topic - but there is a site called 'arabslavetrade.com': http://www.arabslavetrade.com/ Makes interesting reading -although I'm sure eh will decide he knows better and will dispute the facts there. ;) Che...

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I agree that like must be compared with like. I also agree that women's rights aren't at the levels they should be in some Muslim countries, and Shariah is used to justify these injustices. The irony to me is that Islam introduced many aspects of women's rights 1500 years - like the right to divorce...

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You'd be surprised how much debate there is over the teachings of the Quran. One unique feature of the Quran as a scripture is that it is both accessible and read by all Muslims - from cover to cover. There is no hiding or effective censorship of parts of the Quran. The Bible, according to some esti...

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I agree with a lot of what Dawkins has to say in 'God delusion' - it's just his last leap of faith at the end that he uses to justify his belief that it is probable that there is no sentient creator that I would question. When I said there is a lot of debate in Islam, I did (and do) mean a 'what it ...

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I'm actually part of the 'we' who is laughing at the irony - as I'm a Brit by nationality and therefore a 'Westerner'. I just happen to have a Muslim name and choose to follow the religion of Islam. The ladies in my family don't wear the veil or 'burqa', and are dead against women being forced to do...

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I'm sure the police will intervene. Shocking news - I wish you all the best.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Jamal - it appears you too have missed the fundamental point that I said the original author missed. Islam does not advocate any particular form of government - it does not say that the democracy is wrong, or that monarchy is wrong - rather it only gives instructions on how those in power need to be...

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I'm glad we agree that there are misogynistic passages in the Bible that can be used to justify wife beating. Please stop twisting my quotes. I said that contemporary Western society views the passages in the Bible for men to be the head of a household as sexist. We do agree - thanks for clarifying...

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There are clearly quite a number of topics that you are, indeed, 'not sure of'. We'll just chalk up the inability to compare the various teachings of the Bible on warfare with those of the Quran as one of these.

Indeed, 'nuff said.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Chomsky points out in his book - Hegemony or Survival, how there appears to be a link between abuses by military and US military aid. Interestingly, Israel wasn't the worst perpetrators of crimes - it was Columbia and Turkey. He took the reports from Human Rights Watch etc and compared that with mil...

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I'm patient and will allow the stats to speak for themselves:

My count (remains) 232 actual terrorists, 267 killed. (Or 233 terrorists and 10,267 if we include Tony Blair and only count 10,000 civilians killed in Iraq)

What is your count?

Cheers,
Shafique

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^Apparently not. Some, it appears, still believe the 'Fox News' version of events

Cheers,
Shafique

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