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Ah, I posted the above +before+ you looked up the info on wiki. So you didn't know the answer before looking it up - interesting that. Even then, we see an apparent lack of comprehension - you say: Well, the Wikipedia article says that Khalid was a general under the Muslims from 632 to 638 - a total...

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I can't see how I'm evading your question - I gave my estimate at 10,000 which is quite low given the numbers of civilian casualties. I was quite happy to not include civilians indirectly killed by converts - but you chose to include the 45 killed in Tunisia (who weren't directly killed by a convert...

shafique

Apologies for asking yet again - but what is your latest count of actual terrorists now?

Has it reached 10 yet?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

My bad - the Quran corrects the Talmudic view that non-believers should be killed for reading a book. That will teach me to be more precise in future. Thank you for pointing out my error - the other posts do highlight the differences between the Bible and Quranic teachings on warfare - but the artic...

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A general serves for 9 years and is responsible for a string of brilliant conquests. You call this 'short' - as I said, it was just that your statement struck me as ill-informed and your confirmation that you didn't know how long he served clarified that your initial statement was not based on actua...

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I have, my count is an additional 10,000 if we count indirect deaths caused by converts. Sheesh - try and keep up eh. Now, what was your count of terrorists again? Have you reached 10 yet? (I know you say you think you've passed 10, but I can't see where you've actually given a count..) Cheers, Shaf...

shafique

Again with your 'beliefs'. ;) But you do make a valid point - the Bible shouldn't be followed as Gospel and the Rabbis have done a good deed by pointing out which parts of the Bible should no longer be followed. The comparisons of actual teachings is still presented in the quotes above for people to...

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I understand your embarassment about the lack of foundation for your views - blindly believing Khalids generalship was short without checking the facts and compounding the error by mis-calculating his tenure by 50% can't be a pleasant experience. To compound this uneasiness, I also reminded you that...

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I'm sure a moderator can move this thread to the Religion section. To my knowledge, Allah does not say in the Quran that all women are Halal for the Prophet, pbuh. Therefore your friend is mistaken - and should have given you a reference in any case. The only difference between the Prophet, pbuh, an...

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No, I'm not fluent in Arabic and rely on English translations. The verses in question are from Ch 33: 50. O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and dau...

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Gates was lucky in many ways. If you read 'Outliers' by Malcolm Gladwell, he points out the fortunate set of circumstances that laid the foundations for Gates' fortunes. At a time when it was hard to get experience on computers, Gates found himself with access to a computer at his school and then la...

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You are free to accept or reject my count (you have other quaint beliefs that aren't based on evidence) - however, the question I asked was: What is your count of actual terrorists? My count (fully referenced) still stands at: My count is 232 actual terrorists, 267 killed. (Or 233 terrorists and 10,...

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Thanks - makes interesting reading. The Quran is clear that men and women need to dress and act modestly, and emphasises that the eyes should be restrained - not just the dress and actions. It is good that you've posted the context in which these injunctions were sent down - i.e. how women behaved (...

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Thanks Berrin. eh - nice to see you can't address the issues raised any more and have to revert to personal attacks. Not surprising. I asked whether you agreed that the Quran did improve on the Talmud's instructions that non-Jews should be killed for reading the Torah. I know that latterly some Rabb...

shafique

Good - nice to see that you have some sense of shame and are embarrassed when found wanting. As I said in my first post - you have been shown to know little about the subject and yet drew conclusions and an analysis based on a selective quote. It is not surprising that your conclusions are so off th...

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Firstly, welcome. To the best of my knowledge, you are the first ignostic I have come across - so double welcome! Thanks for the other references - I agree that there is no shortage of scholarly reviews and conclusions about the distortions in the Bible. This thread was started by 'freefromrats', wh...

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What is your count? (As I stated before, it is your choice whether to include converts who did not directly kill people - you wanted to include the Polish convert -I'll continue to separate out the two - one count for actual terrorists who actually killed people and excludes those 'suspected' to be ...

shafique

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" :lol: I suggest you read my previous post (Sept 10 above) and also I Morgan's quotes above and let us know what still confuses you eh. (There are separate threads where Jewish Christian beliefs have been dealt with - let us know what confuses you ...

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The lot of women in 7th century Europe wasn't any better than pre-Islamic Arabia either - let's not forget, and didn't really get much better until well over a millenium later. But, as I said, it is interesting to look at the practices before Islam and how God's teachings reformed the society. As fo...

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All that just to say you don't agree with me and Military historians who you like to quote! As I said, you're entitled to continue to believe in the Orientalist view of early Islamic history - I'll happily quote the conclusions of experts who have written on the subject. I wonder why you feel the ne...

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Still ignoring the inconvenient facts about the comparative teachings I see. No surprises there then. All I did was ask you whether you agreed that the Quranic teachings in relation to not killing those who studied scripture was an improvement - you seem reluctant to concede this point. Pretty much ...

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eh - you may have not noticed, but the conversation has moved on - you asked a question about Gibbon and it was answered. The Bible is not a good source of historical information about the differences between Pauline and Jewish Christianity because historians all now agree that the Bible was corrupt...

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Blair is a practicing Catholic and a convert - and I agree he didn't directly kill anyone, but neither did the Polish Convert to Islam that eh-oh wants to include in his count. As for atheists not being terrorists, I can think of quite a few examples -but two will suffice. 1. ETA in Spain - terroris...

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Islam's stance on free will is quite consistent within the Quran (and in Islamic philosophy generally). One is only punished and rewarded where a person has a choice, and the rewards are guaranteed, whereas the punishment is at the mercy of God. The only sin which God says is unforgiveable is the as...

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Sorry shafique what i mean is terrorism 'in the name of athiesm' do you get what i mean? Yes - agree with you there. Blowing people up to make them not believe in God isn't a feature of atheists - can't argue with that. Christians and Muslims as have all other religions, have been bad throughout mi...

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Interesting - but I think that the author has missed a fundamental point. Islam does not advocate any one system of governance, but rather it advocates how those in power should act. The article does list these principles - but seems to miss the point that these principles can be applied to democrat...

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but again many of these non-religious actions are rooted in religious validation. Take africa christianity mis-interpreted 'Ham being cursed to be black' to validate the actions. I agree that a lot of the injustices carried out by Europeans against indiginous people around the world were condoned a...

shafique

As I've stated before, Muslims do not have the luxury that Christians have - we can't dismiss verses of our scriptures as fabrications inserted by women-hating Pauline Christians. Therefore, God's commandments in the Quran are there for us to read and obey. I'm sure Berrin will step in and quote cop...

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I haven't read the article, but to me, it is obvious that Islam is incompatible with a democracy or a republic. You have many 'obvious' views that don't seem to be based on any evidence... eg: 1. Baruch Goldstein was motivated by the Quran (!) and yet shouldn't be condemned by you as a terrorist. 2...

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At least this time you didn't supply your interpretations of the selective quote - perhaps you're learning (given that the first time round you put your foot in your mouth by stating facts that exposed your ignorance on the subject). As I keep repeating - your whole line of argument that Islam's ear...

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