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shafique

Hey, I just wonder how much you'd write if I didn't agree with your intial post!

As it is, I'm happy to thank you again for pointing out that your quaint Orientalist views of a militant Islam is contradicted by the verses you quoted in your initial post.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

This thread is about your quaint assertion that the Bible contains no contradictions. The discussions have made it clear that this is just a 'blind' belief and not supported by any historical or even logical evidence. The contrast with the Quran thread is not valid -because there I do agree with you...

shafique

I see headlines and a claim for a count of 116 by one convert, and 12 by an unspecified number of RSM. So, my count still stands at: Total number of Terrorist carrying out attacks: 232 Total killed by these: 267 Total reported injured :88 It should be straightforward to produce your count eh - it wa...

shafique

I have to say, I am impressed the way in which you keep bumping this thread about Christian terrorism every time that Muslims carry out terrorist attacks - it is a good thing you remind us that despite the media coverage, Christian and Jewish terrorist groups also use the Bible to justify killing of...

shafique

Berrin - thanks for a great link. Some pretty conclusive quotes there from prominent Christian Biblical scholars. However, I wanted to quote what the author says about Christians - just to contrast with what is written about Muslims on Orientalist/Islamophobic websites - the author emphasises that C...

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One must choose which interpretation of the Koran to believe Yes - I'm glad this has finally sunk in. We can believe your interpretation of 9.29 is correct and that the other Quranic verses contradict this interpretation, or we can choose to believe that your interpretation (i.e. the Orientalist vi...

shafique

The New Testament has a self-correcting mechanism where if someone tries to infer a wrong teaching upon selected verses, the other verses of the New Testament stand in contradiction to this erroneous view. However, this only works in favour of Pauline Christian teachings, for the historians and Bib...

shafique

So is it only Jewish Terrorists that you refuse to condemn?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

The Christian Terrorists are still winning though.. it appears that statisically speaking the Bible leads to more terrorist converts and killings!! When we get to Africa, we can add all the killings carried out by the Lords Resistance Army - these converts weren't converts to Islam.. but I'll let eh...

shafique

Hamed, To be honest, it sounds like this is a complicated situation and to be frank, a mess. I'm not sure that Dubaiforums is the best place to be asking for advice on the subject, but as stated above, if there is an issue with a person being held against their wish, then it may be something the pol...

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would not approve if it were a Muslim father preventing their daughter from marrying a non-Muslim Shafique... out of curiosity.. what did you mean when you've said this? Quite simply that I believe in the Islamic teaching that a marriage needs the consent of the lady - so a Muslim father taking the...

shafique

^ Sounds like these are the kind of passages the supporters of Baruch Goldstein would use to justify their support for the killings of innocents. It would be interesting to read eh's views on this. I fully expect he'll try and pull the 'but look what I think the Quran says' line ;) Cheers, Shafique

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Berrin - I agree, a Muslim father cannot give permission for his daughter to marry a non-Muslim and should persuade her to remain within the faith and marry a Muslim (eg the man can convert to Islam). However, ultimately it is the lady's decision who to marry and whether she wants to leave Islam and...

shafique

:) I see that the Orientalist tactics of copying and pasting quotes to deliberately distort the truth are not dead! Anyway, glad to see some humour in a thread where all the evidence has already been posted for people to make up their own minds. But as I said, the inconvenient truth is that I agree ...

shafique

^Actually it is because the Quran clarifies what parts of the Bible haven't been interpolated and which parts should still be followed - and helps determine which of the contradictory verses and teachings should be viewed as from God and which are man-made fabrications. Of course, we can also use th...

shafique

Hey, I just chose one Biblical scholar you claim to have read (and quoted from): Professor Hans Kung, and another Biblical scholar who has written books on Paul and has written about the compilation of the Bible. Your argument that this clear contradiction in the Bible by contrast has only amounted ...

shafique

eh-oh was convinced that Islam creates more converts who carry out terrorist acts. I said that this theory can easily be tested by looking at the stats. I even allowed him to select the time period and which countries/areas to count. To be honest - I'm surprised that anyone other than the two of us ...

shafique

It is indeed good to agree that your initial claim that there are no contradictions in the NT does not bear scrutiny. When asked to produce one quote from one expert that agrees with your claim, you have to resort to humour.

As I like to laugh - I thank you for this.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I think it is a good thing that the Quran has corrected the erroneous views of the Talmud - don't you? I mean, look what would happen if we took the passages above literally - all the Jewish people would be going round killing innocent civilians - and using their scripture to justify these acts. Pre...

shafique

Thanks Rongson - it is indeed a good reminder that the teachings of Islam aren't necessarily going to be reflected in distorted quotes from Orientalist websites.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Also, I see you are now including 'alleged' convert terrorist attacks What 'alleged' attacks are you referring to? The last one which had 'alleged terrorist leader' in the title: Alleged terrorist leader cornered in Marawi City As I said, if you want to include alleged convert terrorists - let me k...

shafique

Oh - I'll wait for you to get to above 100 terrorists before I include the terrorist acts carried out by the Lord's Resistance Army in Africa. That will probably double the numbers on my side, at least - but no use scaring you too much right now... let's see what your final total is for Europe, Asia...

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I admire your conversion to the stats - initially you were reluctant to count victims, now you seem to have an aversion to counting the number of terrorists. I guess the selective quoting habit is a hard one to break! ;) But your arithmetic is letting yourself down - if you want to include the 21 an...

shafique

The ones relating to warfare - read the intial post and the one with quotes from the Talmud. Plain to see that the Quran corrects man made notions about warfare. Did you miss this thread's title in your haste? We are comparing the different teachings in scripture, and now Talmud, concerning warfare....

shafique

Sorry, I was waiting for a sophisticated explanation for why the Koran does not contain contradictions. Wrong thread - this thread is about the NT and your quaint (and apparently solitary) view that the NT contains no contradictions. I understand your confusion - in your thread on the Quran, I agre...

shafique

So, you do want to include your 45 and 21 victims where converts did not directly kill the victims - fair enough, I'm allowing you to set the rules. As for the 10,000 count - you can take your pick of the statistics, as I've played it very conservatively. I took into consideration the UNICEF report ...

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double post

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^As I thought - you seem to have been immersed in the practice of selectively quoting passages that now you appear to selective read accounts as well!! Berrin's article he posted about the Talmud includes the following: because Judaism teaches that the law they contain was given to Jews alone and it...

shafique

Thanks for starting a thread on one of the most brilliant and successful military men in history. It is for others to compare the Orientalist spin with actual historical accounts by credible historians, rather than the selective quoting and spinning seen above. But just to bring you up on a small nu...

shafique

You didn't answer the question.

How long do you think his military career was under Islam, and why did you characterise it as 'short'?

If you didn't know this simple fact (quite unsurprising) - why should we trust the rest of your 'analysis'?

Cheers,
Shafique

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