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I'll stick with the ultimate Islamic manual - the Quran - and am happy to agree with your intial post that it indeed does contradict your view of 9.29 etc. Interesting that you want to quote external manuals in a thread about Quranic verses which contradict your quaint belief. Understandable, but ir...

shafique

You're welcome too. I'll gloss over the fact you seem to be condoning/excusing the Christian terrorist's who do justify their killings with their faith. There are those who, like you, refuse to condemn Baruch Goldstein as a Jewish Terrorist and venerate his actions - just like there are those who ce...

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From the same site that hosts the constitution: http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/tripura/terrorist_outfits/nlft.htm Split The NLFT split into two groups, one headed by Biswamohan Debbarma and the other by Nayanbasi Jamatiya, in February 2001. Following the expulsion of Nayanbasi ...

shafique

Numpty follows instructions on how to build a bomb and is entrapped by high paid informer. Epic fail on numpty's part - and I agree, nothing to see but an expensive conviction of a McVeigh wannabe.

Cheers,
Shafique

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Another quaint belief that the BBC made up all the references about this Christian Terrorist group forcibly converting people to Christianity. I'll give you credit for self-belief. As I said, many posts ago, good luck in convincing all the terror-monitoring groups that they are wrong. Cheers, Shafique

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I agree with you that your interpretation of the Koran contradicts my interpretation of the Koran. Cool. Can't say fairer than that. Others can make up their own minds which interpretation they choose to believe (including your view that the consensus view is that Muslims share your interpretation)...

shafique

Apologies - I must have confused your continuing non-condemnation of Jewish Terrorists with this thread. I'm glad you join me in condemning the contemporary Christian terrorism taking place in the name of Christianity. I also join you in condemning terrorist acts being committed by Muslims in the na...

shafique

Did you not read what the police informant did before receiving his millions? He brought guns to a weekend getaway, incited the numpties with Jihad talk etc - then pointed the finger, pocketed the millions and laughed as he was relocated in Canada. He also worked with the authorities to set up the s...

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Yes, Sunnis also believe that a reformer will come in the latter days in the form of a 'Guided Leader' - i.e. 'Imam Mahdi'. He will be followed by the second coming of Jesus. This is found in Hadith in Bukhari, Muslim etc. One of the things the Imam Mahdi will do is discriminate between the various ...

shafique

Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. The Sunni belief about Imam Mahdi is that he will be a normal person who will be born and grow up and then receive revelation from Allah that he is the Imam of the age, the Imam Mahdi. This differs from "12'er" shia beliefs that the Imam Mahdi will ...

shafique

verney - firstly, welcome. Secondly, yes - the list of contradictions and absurdities supposedly in the Quran are easily found on the web. Two good lists are at sceptics annotated Quran, and also on Wikiislam: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/ http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Main_Page The forme...

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Well, we should indeed thank you for bringing this story to our attention and allowing us to compare the headlines with the facts. As I said, the millions paid to the informer who incited and entrapped these numpties at least has resulted in two convictions so far. And you are right - any numpty can...

shafique

:) What is telling is that your 'beliefs' are solely based on a reading of their constitution, but at least now you admit they are terrorists and have been killing people for not converting to Christianity. I see that you are now imagining that there is a 'secular' wing to this terrorist organisatio...

shafique

Thanks Berrin - many clear commandments and verifiable references. Thanks also to eh - it is always good for people to compare and contrast the teachings of Islam with what critics of Islam say its teachings are. One keeps seeing that the critics have to rely on very selective quotes and ignore the ...

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I totally agree - the best we can both do is present the evidence and let people make up their minds. I totally agree that some Muslims believe there are abrogated verses in the Quran - but I've shown, in other threads, that in each case that this belief is not supported by logic and clear understan...

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Bump - for the references to contradictions in the Bible and the non-explanation of eh when faced with the conclusive explanations of Biblical scholars: Father Jerome Murphy-O'Connor, O.P.: 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 are not a Corinthian slogan, as some have argued…, but a post-Pauline interpolation …. ...

shafique

Given the recent references to Christian terrorists, a bump so that we don't forget this question about a Jewish terrorist. There are some people who venerate the actions of Baruch Goldstein - the American Doctor who emigrated to occupied Palestine (Hebron) and joined the Israeli army. As an officer...

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double post

shafique

Still swimming in Egypt I see - always in de-nile.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Again with the confusion - this thread was about you backing up your belief that the Bible contains no contradictions. The fact that O'Conner et al have concluded that the Bible clearly contains contradictions and fabrications is the main point I wanted to bring out - and contrasts with your explana...

shafique

Because your count still stands at one, despite me asking you to update your count. Mine stands at an under-estimated count of 169 actual terrorists compared to your one (and that's only up to 2003, IIRC) As I said, I think you should update your count - otherwise the one numpty you've cited looks l...

shafique

Bump for eh - my count of actual terrorists who are converts still stands at 169, yours still stands at one.

I invite you to update your count and give the source of these new additions.

I think I'll update my figures for the next calendar year..

Cheers,
Shafique

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Ok, taking all the attacks into account, my estimate is as follows: Total number of Terrorist carrying out attacks: 232 Total killed by these: 267 Total reported injured :88 This excludes 'suspected' terrorist attacks and anyone reportedly killed in cross-fire. The list of terror acts by the 'Christ...

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Thanks Berrin - it is always good to give people the information to compare and contrast with views expressed about Islam's treatment of Jews and Christians. It is enlightening that the Quran has a self-correcting mechanism where if someone tries to infer a wrong teaching upon selected verses, the o...

shafique

:lol: The denial, as you well know, was about the violent passages in the Bible. But hey, I was not surprised you chose not to address these - you can't bring yourself to condemn Baruch Goldstein and his supporters who use the Bible to justify terrorism. It appears that the only religion you are pre...

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I thought Father O'Conner's research and conclusions were more than clear and convincing. Your argument only seems to be sticking your fingers in your ears and wearing a blindfold and repeating: "I can't see or hear any contradictions - you are wrong, I am right" :lol: But hey, you are the...

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bump for eh - given the flurry of posts yesterday, he may have missed this.

shafique

Someone pointed out to me that up to 70% of the Bible is effectively 'censored' in the respect that these passages are not read out in Church or in Bible readings etc. He said that most Christians are actually unaware of the violent, sexist and 'rude' passages of the Bible. However, Christian theolo...

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Do you support Osama bin Laden as well as Goldstein?

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