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As posted before - it's a good thing that the one numpty is off the streets.

Interesting to compare the intial hype with the fact though - thanks eh.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Interesting views eh - you should write to the authorities I quoted from and tell them they are all wrong - they should have read the constitution and ignored all the other evidence they quoted.

Let us know what they say.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

You are missing the point.

I agree with your intial proposition that the Quran contradicts your view of 9.29 etc.

But thanks for bringing this fact to our attention once again.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Umm - this thread is about the contradiction in the Bible, I wasn't aware that Ibn Abbas contradicted what Father O'Murphy's views above. It appears you don't disagree now that the Bible contains verses added by post-Pauline authors which contradict other passages in the Bible. Bravo. Cheers, Shafique

shafique

You're quite welcome. It is certainly interesting to contrast the media coverage of the non-Muslim terror groups - not least the Christian ones. As we have a thread contrasting the statistics of terrorist acts vs the Fox News type hype, there doesn't seem much sense in repeating the facts here as we...

shafique

See, it is good to discuss and clarify. You are quite right, I presented my view that 'not speaking in church' contradicts other verses of the Bible. (See, I too am agreeing with you - good eh!) Good to see that you don't disagree that my initial view is that of Father O'Conner, Professor Hans Kung ...

shafique

Yes, you're Google search proved quite fruitful ;) . I'm not surprised you want to ignore the actual terrorist acts and the conclusions of the organisations quoted. I understand that your 'analysis' of the constitution must have been taxing - but thanks for sharing your considered opinion and this t...

shafique

My bad - it's good that the entrapment rounded up two numpties - my previous comments stand - better off the street than causing harm to themselves and others.

The millions paid to M Sheikh seem to be yielding some results - two confessions so far.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

It is good that we are beginning to agree - I totally agree that there are some that share your views about certain aspects of Islam, but as I stated before, this thread is about whether the Quran contradicts your view of 9.29 etc. I agree with you that it does indeed. Now - whether one chooses to b...

shafique

Excellent - I'm glad you took notice of the thread's title. I totally agree - Christian fundamentalist terrorist groups should indeed be condemned. I also extend this to Jewish terrorists such as Goldstein - but that is another thread and another unanswered question. I see you are reverting to form ...

shafique

It's worth just reviewing what I wrote in the initial thread: Now, of course I wouldn't be troll-like and argue that the above are representative of what good Christians believe, or what Jesus taught - but it does demonstrate that naive empiricism is a trap easily fallen into (whether you are an ath...

shafique

As quoted many times before, I totally agree that you don't accept that your views are Orientalist and have been dismissed by serious scholars of both history and religion. We all agree that you are right that the Quran contradicts your view that Islam teaches violence and totally agree you can prod...

shafique

I thought I was quite clear where I was getting my info (as you were - one Google search and a read of their constitution). Here is a quote I gave before: The National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism classified the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) as one of the ten most...

shafique

Whilst I only quoted the description of the NLFT in the quote above, it is worth quoting the whole article which shows why they are indeed Christian Terrorists : Surrendered insurgent's family gunned down by NLFT Posted August 9, 2003 Press Trust of India Agartala, July 30. Four members of the famil...

shafique

Thanks for reinforcing the opening point of my last post - that you continue to believe in quaint beliefs such as the Bible being uncorrupted by fabricated verses and that Islam advocates violence against Jews and Christians. You started this thread to highlight that the Quran contradicts this Orien...

shafique

What is remarkable is that you feel the need to bump this thread to remind people that Christian terrorists also exist, despite the fact that so much killings of Muslims is taking place now-a-days. Thanks for this. I guess that you wanted to make the point that if misguided Islamophobes say that Mus...

shafique

As I said, there is a lot of spin on the NFLT out there on the web. I think you mis-typed there. Surely you meant 'researched facts' instead of spin. But hey, your research seems to be just reading their manifesto - and you seem to be arguing that the BBC's facts are therefore 'poorly researched'. ...

shafique

event horizon wrote:Yep - he was just some kid talking about Jihad entrapped by the police and set up by an informant.

Agreed. One more numpty off the streets and a now rich police informer.

As I said, they need to get some value from the millions they paid the guy to entrap these numpties.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

The charter specifies that the military wing is called 'the National Holy Army' and it is this Holy Army which has carried out the terrorist attacks listed. Your argument seems to be based soley on reading what the charter says, rather than the evidence actually produced. I asked before whether you ...

shafique

Cool - the examples I gave in the opening thread are indeed Christians who use their beliefs to justify killing others. I specifically chose those who unambiguously are killing people because of their belief of the Bible. It is good that eh takes them at their own words. However, I didn't read a con...

shafique

I think it is wishful thinking to presume that anyone else is reading this thread eh-oh! Berrin jumped in for a cut and past jobby, but I'd guess precious few others are. ;) I've conceded that you believe your views aren't anachronistic Orientalist views of Islam - but I'm still surprised you keep b...

shafique

Thanks for posting - wise words indeed.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

A good article which references the Quran and Hadith to explain Islam's position. Islam and Terrorism It is unfortunate that Islam, the religion of peace, hope, harmony, goodwill and Brotherhood had been badly tarnished by the perpetrators of various terrorists acts and barbarism as seen on Septembe...

shafique

Nope, I couldn't find in the charter any reference to the terrorist acts committed by these guys listed above, just the reference to their 'National Holy Army'. I was hoping that you had more 'evidence' that all these reports are wrong - but hey, it is interesting to hear your quaint beliefs. Cheers...

shafique

You see, all this discussion is indeed fruitful - you've finallly come round to my initial argument that these are just McVeigh wannabes (and not good ones at that) - who were entrapped by the now-rich informer. I'd be livid if I were a Canadian taxpayer - but hey, that's just me. ;) Cheers, Shafique

shafique

Thanks - people can indeed now easily compare and contrast, and make up their own minds.

'nuff said, as they say.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I think you do the Israelis a dis-service - wouldn't they rather be taking a leaf out of Moses' play book - he massacred entire villages after they surrendered (if we believe the Bible to be accurate, as you do). As I've stated before, you don't have issues with white Jewish terrorists killing Musli...

shafique

Perhaps Berrin will agree with you on this point (there's a first time for everything). So, let's clear this up once and for all. Do you, or do you not, join me in condemning as a war crime the enslavement of 32,000 virgins and the slaughter of the married women, men and boys (and livestock) carried...

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