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I guess the above was written before you conceded that the NFLT are converts to Christianity and therefore that my facts were indeed straight. No probs - we all grab onto tit-bits of info when we think it reinforces our view. It is interesting though that the 100k Christians are pretty recent conver...

shafique

Yo! my man - we missed you!

Welcome back.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

I'm glad we agree. The Bible states that Noah lived for 950 years, the Quran says he 'dwelt with his people' for 1000 less 50. As I conceded, there are those who take both literally and those, like me, who take this metaphorically. If the Quran is wrong/absurd in stating Noah lived for 950 years - t...

shafique

Yes, please (again) try to keep up. Those who remained true to Jesus' message (the 'lesser commission') and are now termed as 'Jewish Christians' - are the ones who did not accept the Pauline Christian doctrines. As I stated, it is a circular argument to say that the edited version of the Bible we h...

shafique

Thanks - it would have been easier to say you can't explain away the contradiction I posted and can't answer the simple question - did those with Paul hear a voice or not.

I guess I'll just post one contradiction every now and again and watch you squirm or ignore these.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

event horizon wrote:Can I conclude you agree that there is a blatant contradiction here and you can't answer the simple question?

What part of 'I agree with your first post that the Quran contradicts your view of 9.29 etc' was difficult to comprehend?

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

bump for eh-oh, don't want this question to be swamped by the other posts.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

BTW - did you concede that you now know what 'vision' I was referring to?

Did you really not read this part of the NT - dealing with Saul/Paul's conversion??

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Actually, in this thread I agree with the concepts being described - it is pretty much what all Prophets have taught and is certainly a central theme of Islam. The terminology is different (and would be, given different languages) - but the concept is the same. The highest level of spirituality is '...

shafique

Please explain how one should interpret this verse in the Koran correctly? You can interpret it in same way you interpret the verse in Genesis. How do you interpret it there? It just happens to be one of the verses of the Quran which can be interpreted either literally or metaphorically - but in bo...

shafique

Your point would be well made if I didn't agree with your first point that there are indeed contradictory verses in the Quran if we interpret 9.29 in the way you do.

As I said, you seem to have a great issue with the fact I agree with you.

Cheers,
Shafique

shafique

Already explained - I assumed you were referring to Peter's vision of clean and unclean animals when you said food being clean after Paul's vision, which I assumed you mixed up your 'recollection' of Acts 10 once more. See what happens when you jump to conclusions. Happy that today I could clear up...

shafique

Ok - lets start with what we agree. We agree that the Bible is not 100% historically accurate and that scholars have shown that verses have been fabricated and inserted. These verses are sometimes innocuous (eg causing just contradictions - Paul's companions not hearing or hearing a voice) - or some...

shafique

I guess you are still stinging from the 2 climbdowns you had to perform yesterday - acknowledging that NFLT are Christian convert terrorists and that Paul did indeed have a vision! I guess me asking you whether you were aware that the Bible also gave Noah's age at 950 also threw you - and you couldn...

shafique

Ok - I understand you want to move on to the next (metaphorical) point. However, you didn't answer my question about whether you knew the Bible also gave Noah's age at 950 years? Did you know this fact? It appears that you are trying to argue that the Quran is faulty in some way for stating what the...

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still waiting (patiently)

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shafique

I'm sorry you are having a hard time accepting the historical reality that the New Testament was edited by Pauline Christians to support their theological views - I suggest you confirm that the quote I gave from Kung above (from a book you have) is accurate, and check with a friend about what Kung i...

shafique

Great to hear your views, but I wasn't surprised you avoided the question. Let me repeat it for you, in case you didn't read it: Now - should Christians ignore this passage because it comes from James and contradicts what Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9? I understand your desire to avoid the question, ...

shafique

So, are you one of those who takes the Bible literally and believe Noah lived to 950 years? (Or do you agree with me that this Biblical verse is metaphorical?) Not sure why you're over-looking this question. As for whether the Quranic verses are metaphorical or not - I view them as metaphorical, oth...

shafique

Agree with what the posters above have said. I just want to re-emphasise that the marriage contract is one that is drawn up by the woman, and it is the lady's side that sets the Mehar - but with consultation with the groom. The Mehar is effectively a pre-nup agreement on money that the groom has to ...

shafique

Let the wife beater advocate speak for himself. Defending wife beaters now hey? How low can you go...with you there doesn't seem to be a limit. You do realise that name-calling and quoting people out of context shows that you don't really have a leg to stand on. But just for clarity, are you saying...

shafique

Yawn. I guess you can't handle Berrin's points. Was his post too long for you? However, you are quite right eh - it is only you and FD that have this weird reality distortion field that deliberately misinterprets what others write. So, apart from Danny Devito, Afghan boys and Muslims beating their w...

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LoL. Hey, I guess that attack against Lars Vilks was just a friendly exchange between people with different viewpoints. I knew yanks had a problem with Geography - but this is funny (do you know that Sweden is a different country from Britain, don't you?). ;) You also seem to be ignoring the factoi...

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'eh' - sense of humour failure?

shafique

I sense another one of your challenges coming on. Bring it on, let's see what fun we can have with your fellow countrymen/ladies silliness - how about some more spelling classics.. (I think they meant 'donations for Haiti' - so the heart is in the right place! ;) ) http://www.yourfunnystuff.com/wp-c...

shafique

Oh dear. eh is behind the times again. Vilks initially believed he was head-butted by the man, but said he later understood he had collided with plainclothes police officers who intercepted the attacker and then briskly evacuated Vilks from the room. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM...

shafique

Eh - as I said, Gods words are quite clear. The question you didn't answer though eh - what other fantasies do you harbour? I donot have a leg to stand on that wife beating is ALWAYS wrong? You seem to be proud defending wife beating with so called smart arguments. So, when I say God does not condon...

shafique

^ LOL - I love the death to Juice one. Let me help you out with another: http://www.thesmartdonkey.com/_/rsrc/1235433991633/Home/donkeyphotogallery/donkey-pulling-cart.jpg (You're still a way behind though - loads more of your countrymen yet to come, and I'm resisting for now posting all the 'W' pic...

shafique

Again, thanks for your quaint interpretation. Do you really imagine that Muslim men go about beating their wives because you believe the Quran says this is ok? Weird views you have eh. You quoted one verse of the Quran, and seem to go off on a tangent. The main point is that God does NOT say that wi...

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